Discussion
Just came across this..
Capoeira fight
- it so reminds me of Indiana Jones and that guy with the sword....
Capoeira fight
- it so reminds me of Indiana Jones and that guy with the sword....
Arese said:
Muntu said:
I'm not clicking that, It's probably a variation on 2g1c?
It's not. It's a repost of a video clip from a film, that's been shot from an extra in the crowd using his mobile phone. I believe.Edited by Arese on Wednesday 11th February 16:10
thegavster said:
I have a friend who does Capoeira and for some reason she gets really pissed off if you refer to her hobby as "doing cartwheels"
I think it is the coolest MA. It may not be effective "in a street situation" (let's not get started on that one) but it certainly is cool plus entertaining to watch. Saw some Capoeirista (?) practising in Hyde Park last summer. V cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdZXp0Tq6Jk&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG0uYjcjBR8&fea...
I'd love to have a go but I don't trust myself to break something and running my own business, that would be awkward.
Capoeira
Why don't they just come clean and categorise their "martial art" as dancing? That is all it is, after all.
Dancing your way out of a combat scenario is laughable!
When I see the adverts for classes, they always have "self defence" as a sales tag......
Anyway, back to writing about "proper" martial arts for me....
MAM
Why don't they just come clean and categorise their "martial art" as dancing? That is all it is, after all.
Dancing your way out of a combat scenario is laughable!
When I see the adverts for classes, they always have "self defence" as a sales tag......
Anyway, back to writing about "proper" martial arts for me....
MAM
Martial Arts Man said:
Why don't they just come clean and categorise their "martial art" as dancing? That is all it is, after all.
Dancing your way out of a combat scenario is laughable!
When I see the adverts for classes, they always have "self defence" as a sales tag......
Anyway, back to writing about "proper" martial arts for me....
MAM
)Seriously though, I'm surprised how quick you are to mock some MAs, given your rather boisterous defence of others against similar claims...
Completely off-topic, but I can see what you mean. It's amusing when people claim that MMA/BJJ/muay thai is better than xyz fu. Well, wait a sec, I am happy to go in the cage with a top MMA fighter to represent my style. Oh, did I forget to mention, weapons training forms part of my style so I'm bringing a pu dao with me. Try grounding and pounding when I've lopped your arms and legs off. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDutwKhwVU&fea...
PS I'll have a Glock in my pocket just in case I drop it.
PPS I'll have a whole squad of battle ninjas, too, in case my Glock jams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDutwKhwVU&fea...
PS I'll have a Glock in my pocket just in case I drop it.
PPS I'll have a whole squad of battle ninjas, too, in case my Glock jams.
Edited by ShadownINja on Thursday 12th February 15:43
The Black Flash said:
Martial Arts Man said:
Why don't they just come clean and categorise their "martial art" as dancing? That is all it is, after all.
Dancing your way out of a combat scenario is laughable!
When I see the adverts for classes, they always have "self defence" as a sales tag......
Anyway, back to writing about "proper" martial arts for me....
MAM
)Seriously though, I'm surprised how quick you are to mock some MAs, given your rather boisterous defence of others against similar claims...
Every day I deal with martial artists. I have done my entire working life. Lots of martial artists from various disciplines and backgrounds. All of them powerful in their respective cliques.
There are a few common factors amongst all these guys. Even the ones that don't have them yet end up possessing these qualities:
Arrogance
Unshakable belief in their "art" as the best
Strange social skills (we call it "martial arts instructor syndrome" in the office or "tin god syndrome" as my boss calls it)
No ability to think of anything other than personal gain (irrespective of how this is dressed up)
A willingness to sell their art down the river for financial gain
Unreserved hatred for ALL others in similar positions of power
Not very bright
Chronic insecurity
These qualities, in the loosest sense of the word, have made the world of UK martial arts a mess (I could write a book about the awful state of affairs in UK m/arts). In most cases I would use the word Fraud. Nothing of use is taught in 90% of classes, Instructor certificates and black belts can be bought from "respected" m/arts traders with no checks other than on your wallet and the default position of those found not up to standard by their organisation is: set up my own organisation, write my own syllabus (with all the hard stuff taken out so the students grade more regularly($$)), call myself Master and off we go.
The horror stories I am privy to are truly scandalous!
It is hard, when faced by this on a day to day basis, to stay welded to the ideal that martial arts are all good. I wish!
Martial arts in the UK is now purely an industry; the botom line is all that matters.
Don't get me wrong, I have made a very good living out of this industry, it's just not all roses and light when you peer beneath the surface.
The sad fact is that most martial arts taught in this country are Capoeira-esque in that what is being taught is nothing more than a predetermined set of movements combined into a "dance". I don't object to people making $$ out of teaching and in principle I don't object to the watering down of martial arts, if that is what the public wants. What I do object to is the selling of such "knowledge" on the basis of an effectiveness that does not exist. Consumers deserve some sort of protection from fraudulent martial arts/instructors.
Of course, there is maybe 5% of classes out there teaching what a feudal Japanese (etc) would consider to be martial arts; sadly, they are a dying breed. That is a true shame.
I only write about M/arts based on real experience. It is unfortunate that the myths surrounding many of them are just that; myths.
Apologies for being a little negative in previous posts.
MAM
Martial Arts Man said:
I am sorry, I don't mean to be demeaning (I don't recall mocking anything though); you need to understand my situation.
Don't worry, it was just, as I said, a cheap dig. You can have a free one back at a later date 
As for your previous post, I couldn't agree more. I think that all we disagree on is where "effective" is, but lets not go through that again.
Peace, love, and choke holds
Explains why the spotty 19-year-olds in the pub are *always* Black Belt elevnteenth Dan.ShadownINja said:
Completely off-topic, but I can see what you mean. It's amusing when people claim that MMA/BJJ/muay thai is better than xyz fu. Well, wait a sec, I am happy to go in the cage with a top MMA fighter to represent my style. Oh, did I forget to mention, weapons training forms part of my style so I'm bringing a pu dao with me. Try grounding and pounding when I've lopped your arms and legs off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDutwKhwVU&fea...
PS I'll have a Glock in my pocket just in case I drop it.
PPS I'll have a whole squad of battle ninjas, too, in case my Glock jams.
One day you will meet your match...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDutwKhwVU&fea...
PS I'll have a Glock in my pocket just in case I drop it.
PPS I'll have a whole squad of battle ninjas, too, in case my Glock jams.
Edited by ShadownINja on Thursday 12th February 15:43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPPj6viIBmU
thegavster said:
That's really interesting reading.
I've done a few different sports over the years and been members of several clubs which provide premises, training and all else that goes with club sports. Last year I wandered down to the local martial arts place to have a gander as they were offering a free introductory lesson. I was amazed at how unfriendly most of the instructors were, some of them seemed to have a glazed arrogance to their demeanour and certainly weren't welcoming.
After the lesson, my friend showed an interest in taking up a course with them, so we were taken to their office and given a pretty high pressure sales pitch over a course of lessons which seemed astonishingly expensive. I can't remember the figures (and co-incidentally their nice looking website doesn't list them) but I've never heard of a club sport costing so much! Their premises were simply a hall with a changing room and office at the side, so not exactly an extensive gym, riverside location or tons of equipment which would go part way to explaining the cost.
I walked away from it thinking that it was all a complete rip off and your list up there does ring quite a few bells!
Most places will charge a membership which is, AIUI, for insurance purposes, but which will only be a few quid a year. If they expect you to pay for a course in advance, and especially if they have a "sales pitch" in an office(!), they're probably just in it for the money. I've done a few different sports over the years and been members of several clubs which provide premises, training and all else that goes with club sports. Last year I wandered down to the local martial arts place to have a gander as they were offering a free introductory lesson. I was amazed at how unfriendly most of the instructors were, some of them seemed to have a glazed arrogance to their demeanour and certainly weren't welcoming.
After the lesson, my friend showed an interest in taking up a course with them, so we were taken to their office and given a pretty high pressure sales pitch over a course of lessons which seemed astonishingly expensive. I can't remember the figures (and co-incidentally their nice looking website doesn't list them) but I've never heard of a club sport costing so much! Their premises were simply a hall with a changing room and office at the side, so not exactly an extensive gym, riverside location or tons of equipment which would go part way to explaining the cost.
I walked away from it thinking that it was all a complete rip off and your list up there does ring quite a few bells!
IME, a good place will invite you to come for a free session to see if you like it, then expect you to pay your membership and pay by the session. Good instructors often do it because they believe in it, and generally charge little or even nothing beyond that needed to pay for the rent on the gym. Which is generally cold and in a dodgy-looking back alley
I suppose it's the difference between a club where everyone is involved in running it and looking after the building etc, and a business.
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