Climate Change,commonsense?
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was a great year“When climate scientists like me explain to people what we do for a living we are increasingly asked whether we “believe in climate change”. Quite simply it is not a matter of belief. Our concerns about climate change arise from the scientific evidence that humanity’s activities are leading to changes in our climate. The scientific evidence is overwhelming.”
Oh Dear... where is this overwhelming scientific evidence?
p.s. R
Oh Dear... where is this overwhelming scientific evidence?
p.s. R
BigJonMcQuimm said:
“When climate scientists like me explain to people what we do for a living we are increasingly asked whether we “believe in climate change”. Quite simply it is not a matter of belief. Our concerns about climate change arise from the scientific evidence that humanity’s activities are leading to changes in our climate. The scientific evidence is overwhelming.”
Oh Dear... where is this overwhelming scientific evidence?
p.s. R
As most people know, it's not scientific evidence at all, it's GIGO from inadequate computer models. This misrepresentation is always allowed (on TV, radio, press) to pass without challenge. Those who continue to push it are shameless and presumably - as here - vested interests.Oh Dear... where is this overwhelming scientific evidence?
p.s. R
turbobloke said:
BigJonMcQuimm said:
“When climate scientists like me explain to people what we do for a living we are increasingly asked whether we “believe in climate change”. Quite simply it is not a matter of belief. Our concerns about climate change arise from the scientific evidence that humanity’s activities are leading to changes in our climate. The scientific evidence is overwhelming.”
Oh Dear... where is this overwhelming scientific evidence?
p.s. R
As most people know, it's not scientific evidence at all, it's GIGO from inadequate computer models. This misrepresentation is always allowed (on TV, radio, press) to pass without challenge. Those who continue to push it are shameless and presumably - as here - vested interests.Oh Dear... where is this overwhelming scientific evidence?
p.s. R
ETA: Isn't this just another government position? First 'global warming', then a better suited 'climate change', now a 'climate change is happening, and you'd only understand that if you were intelligent - just trust us'.
I'd have more support if Western powers were honest, and stated 'climate change is a myth, we just want to reduce our reliance on oil, reduce imports from unreliable oil and gas supplying Countries, look to cheaper home-grown alternative energy (Nuclear is the best option IMHO - although population control, especially amongst the poor, would make great sense), increase tax for no reason and create meaningless public sector jobs to reduce unemployment figures.'
Edited by sa_20v on Friday 13th February 08:38
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Thursday, February 12, 2009
Very revealing talk by the IPCC's Rutu Dave
Update: That was fast. The videos are no longer publicly available. There was briefly a "part 3" video, where Dave admits that she was "thrown in" to her IPCC job; her focus had been "trade policy". To learn about climate, she read some books on a train.
I'd be surprised if these two Rutu Dave videos (below) are still publicly available in six months.
Early on, she mentions that she was not the smartest student in her class, and suggests that the "lot of cute guys that were there in suits" made Model UN meetings interesting.
There's no indication whatsoever that she knows anything useful about climate science; she praises Al Gore. She's obviously quite proud of the Nobel Peace Prize that "she" got.
Rutu Dave presents herself as one of five people who wrote the first draft of the most recent IPCC Summary for Policymakers. Revealingly, more than once, she calls it the IPCC Summary OF Policymakers!
She talks about the problems trying to get the Summary approved in four days with language barriers, etc. She said the Chinese "just don't seem to shut up" and mentions "little tricks" to move things along.
She talks proudly about the IPCC getting "more famous" after Gore's propaganda movie came out, with media attention from all over. She said she had her choice of going to Bali or to Oslo (for the Nobel ceremony), she chose Bali (mentioning the beaches). She said she'd have chosen Oslo had she known Brad Pitt would be there. Also, someone she knows actually met Uma Thurman!
Now Rutu Dave works for the World Bank; several times, she says that they are trying to help their clients "make money from climate change".
_Links_
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FUGVcdxegE&fea...
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anD4DdFvm0E
Part 3
(no longer available)
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Thursday, February 12, 2009
Very revealing talk by the IPCC's Rutu Dave
Update: That was fast. The videos are no longer publicly available. There was briefly a "part 3" video, where Dave admits that she was "thrown in" to her IPCC job; her focus had been "trade policy". To learn about climate, she read some books on a train.
I'd be surprised if these two Rutu Dave videos (below) are still publicly available in six months.
Early on, she mentions that she was not the smartest student in her class, and suggests that the "lot of cute guys that were there in suits" made Model UN meetings interesting.
There's no indication whatsoever that she knows anything useful about climate science; she praises Al Gore. She's obviously quite proud of the Nobel Peace Prize that "she" got.
Rutu Dave presents herself as one of five people who wrote the first draft of the most recent IPCC Summary for Policymakers. Revealingly, more than once, she calls it the IPCC Summary OF Policymakers!
She talks about the problems trying to get the Summary approved in four days with language barriers, etc. She said the Chinese "just don't seem to shut up" and mentions "little tricks" to move things along.
She talks proudly about the IPCC getting "more famous" after Gore's propaganda movie came out, with media attention from all over. She said she had her choice of going to Bali or to Oslo (for the Nobel ceremony), she chose Bali (mentioning the beaches). She said she'd have chosen Oslo had she known Brad Pitt would be there. Also, someone she knows actually met Uma Thurman!
Now Rutu Dave works for the World Bank; several times, she says that they are trying to help their clients "make money from climate change".
_Links_
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FUGVcdxegE&fea...
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anD4DdFvm0E
Part 3
(no longer available)
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