PH members getting caught on scameras
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I was doing 47mph in a 30 zone and got caught by a scamera.
It's not my fault. I blame the scamera operators. There was no sign to say they were there. In fact the only signs were the clearly visible round ones with red borders that said 30 in them.
Can't be my fault i got caught. Must be the police.
It's not my fault. I blame the scamera operators. There was no sign to say they were there. In fact the only signs were the clearly visible round ones with red borders that said 30 in them.
Can't be my fault i got caught. Must be the police.
i was in a shop and picked up a tv and ran for the exit without paying. Outside was a police officer who stopped me and arrested me.
There was no sign near the exit to say police were outside. I thought they were there to prevent crime. IT was rather sneaky and i blame the police. Not my fault.
There was no sign near the exit to say police were outside. I thought they were there to prevent crime. IT was rather sneaky and i blame the police. Not my fault.
318ti said:
i was in a shop and picked up a tv and ran for the exit without paying. Outside was a police officer who stopped me and arrested me.
There was no sign near the exit to say police were outside. I thought they were there to prevent crime. IT was rather sneaky and i blame the police. Not my fault.
Why would anyone in that situation need to blame anyone? They'd be let off with a caution!
Anyway how many shoplifters do plod prosecute in relation to speeders?
Be nice to see how many cautions are issued for speeding as opposed to those crimes the public consider to be greater offences and plod consider lesser. (Shoplifting and burglary)
perhaps we should post the speed restriction signs in a sort of continuum.
Before you leave the 40mph limit the signs could start 42 then 46, 50, 55 and finally the NSL sign
That way people wouldnt get caught out as they accelerated!
Oh but if your car is a fast one would it accelerate faster than the signs were designed for and some sneaky person would still get ya?
Its 40 till it says nsl!
Before you leave the 40mph limit the signs could start 42 then 46, 50, 55 and finally the NSL sign
That way people wouldnt get caught out as they accelerated!
Oh but if your car is a fast one would it accelerate faster than the signs were designed for and some sneaky person would still get ya?
Its 40 till it says nsl!
Tim, I think I get your point, but I had the impression that some PHers do not have a problem with being caught by the police, but with the laws/penalty that the executive tries to enforce.
The current laws seem to be closer to the lowest common multiple of society than ever before; reducing self-responability to an amount that suits primates perfectly, but ignores the requirements of the free-thinking.
The invention of ie. speed limits has very good ideas; such as a guide for drivers that he is approaching an area, where higher speeds than {limit} are dangerous.
These speed limits however have been allocated excessively, resulting in a loss of credibility by the free-thinking.
Additionally, those parties who benefit from the revenue of penalties appear to be motivated to raise their profit, rather than caring for the initial ideas of a maximum allowed speed by raising the a) number of scameras, b) number of road sections with lower speed limits, and c) amount of single penalties
as much as they have an influence on that.
As long as the numptification of society holds on, you will hear complaints about -laws or rules that are not traceable as necessary; -getting caught for not abiding these laws; -having to live with the consequences.
When you disagree about a certain law/rule being unnecessary, I (and maybe the complaining PHer) would like to get some assistance to learn more about the law's/rule's right and necessity to exist
The current laws seem to be closer to the lowest common multiple of society than ever before; reducing self-responability to an amount that suits primates perfectly, but ignores the requirements of the free-thinking.
The invention of ie. speed limits has very good ideas; such as a guide for drivers that he is approaching an area, where higher speeds than {limit} are dangerous.
These speed limits however have been allocated excessively, resulting in a loss of credibility by the free-thinking.
Additionally, those parties who benefit from the revenue of penalties appear to be motivated to raise their profit, rather than caring for the initial ideas of a maximum allowed speed by raising the a) number of scameras, b) number of road sections with lower speed limits, and c) amount of single penalties
as much as they have an influence on that.
As long as the numptification of society holds on, you will hear complaints about -laws or rules that are not traceable as necessary; -getting caught for not abiding these laws; -having to live with the consequences.
When you disagree about a certain law/rule being unnecessary, I (and maybe the complaining PHer) would like to get some assistance to learn more about the law's/rule's right and necessity to exist
Well speeding and shoplifting are tackled in different ways. You need to have a licence to drive a car, and that car is cleasrly identifiable and when caught on camera the police often kno where to find the ownerof the car.
Shoplifters aren't clearly identifiable and therefore less easy to catch.
Dare I suggest that there is probaably a high number of shoplifters who can speed at will because their car isn't registered to them, has no insurance, tax etc, and with very few traffic patrols around little chance of them getting sopped. Speed cameras don't worry them!
As I have said many times before mosts people including PHers wouldn't mind if they were stopped were police officers as they know they would have a chance to explain their case etc. They would also get a lecture, and be better educated about why they shouldn't speed. Camera fines merely annoy the hell out of people particularly when there is no apparent need for the camera or the limit seems to have been reduced arbitrarely, and most of us know roads were that has been happened.
The only effort in educating drivers not to speed seems to be you'll get at least 3 pointsa and a fine of at least £60 if you do. Research is showing this is counter productive as people are beginning to believe that having points for speeding on your licence is not something to be ashamed off.
Shoplifters aren't clearly identifiable and therefore less easy to catch.
Dare I suggest that there is probaably a high number of shoplifters who can speed at will because their car isn't registered to them, has no insurance, tax etc, and with very few traffic patrols around little chance of them getting sopped. Speed cameras don't worry them!
As I have said many times before mosts people including PHers wouldn't mind if they were stopped were police officers as they know they would have a chance to explain their case etc. They would also get a lecture, and be better educated about why they shouldn't speed. Camera fines merely annoy the hell out of people particularly when there is no apparent need for the camera or the limit seems to have been reduced arbitrarely, and most of us know roads were that has been happened.
The only effort in educating drivers not to speed seems to be you'll get at least 3 pointsa and a fine of at least £60 if you do. Research is showing this is counter productive as people are beginning to believe that having points for speeding on your licence is not something to be ashamed off.
if we never invented the wheel no one would speed.
if no one drove no one would ever crash.
if there want so many pathetic law they wouldent get broken.
if man never took any risk we would have never got to the moon.
we would still be in caves.
life would be shit.
Get my point ?
>> Edited by outlaw on Saturday 1st November 17:12
>> Edited by outlaw on Saturday 1st November 17:15
if no one drove no one would ever crash.
if there want so many pathetic law they wouldent get broken.
if man never took any risk we would have never got to the moon.
we would still be in caves.
life would be shit.
Get my point ?
>> Edited by outlaw on Saturday 1st November 17:12
>> Edited by outlaw on Saturday 1st November 17:15
Chrisgr31 said:
Dare I suggest that there is probaably a high number of shoplifters who can speed at will because their car isn't registered to them, has no insurance, tax etc, and with very few traffic patrols around little chance of them getting sopped. Speed cameras don't worry them!
Thats why converting all the crappy scamera vans into detectors for stolen cars/no tax/no MOT would actually do some good, catch the scum that steal your car, steal your stero, mug you old Grandma.
Sorry for the sweeping generalisation but you get the point.
robp said:
Thats why converting all the crappy scamera vans into detectors for stolen cars/no tax/no MOT would actually do some good, catch the scum that steal your car, steal your stero, mug you old Grandma.
Sorry for the sweeping generalisation but you get the point.
They won't do that until they get enough money from the 'safety' cameras. The ANPR system is very very expensive. It's bloody brilliant but too expensive to be handled by the likes of an average beat bobby like myself, well that's the impression that I get from my force anyway
I didnt really think about cameras being unfair till bout a year ago when on the road going past the end of my street the car in front slammed on his breaks. The driver who lives in our road and is a trafpol later appologised and explained.
The road starts off at NSL, droped to 30 then upto 40 then back to 30. Guess what, the road has been changed to 30 by just removing the 40 signs, no warnings, no new 30 signs nothing at all.
What really upset the trafpol was that the local force were instructing the BiB to set up speedtraps!
What latter incensed me even more was that the road was dug up to install DS2 sensors and although I see plenty of tallivans I have never ever seen the sensors used. What an utter and complete waste of money!
The road starts off at NSL, droped to 30 then upto 40 then back to 30. Guess what, the road has been changed to 30 by just removing the 40 signs, no warnings, no new 30 signs nothing at all.
What really upset the trafpol was that the local force were instructing the BiB to set up speedtraps!
What latter incensed me even more was that the road was dug up to install DS2 sensors and although I see plenty of tallivans I have never ever seen the sensors used. What an utter and complete waste of money!
outlaw said:
if we never invented the wheel no one would speed.
if no one drove no one would ever crash.
if there want so many pathetic law they wouldent get broken.
if man never took any risk we would have never got to the moon.
we would still be in caves.
life would be shit.
Get my point ?
If we didn't speed, we wouldn't get tickets/nips/fines.
Get mine?
>> Edited by 318ti on Saturday 1st November 18:14
>> Edited by 318ti on Saturday 1st November 18:15
318ti said:
Yeah, well i just bought a new set of kitchen knives. The box said "warning sharp". "Do not play with knives".
I played with the knives and cut myself. It hurt.
Not my fault. I blame the makers of the knives.
True, don't speed and you won't get caught. But let's face it we all speed at some point. Why have the 'ti' after the 318 unless you enjoy a bit of performance now and then?
It's inappropriate speed that is the issue so if someone gets caught in a 30 in a built up area etc. then it's more acceptable than at 3AM in the middle of nowhere AFAIC The trouble is a lot of roads are not well signed. No excuse I know - do 30mph unless you know otherwise.
Lucky we're not in America or the Tallivan operators would be getting sued (if it were really the same as the kitchen knives).
318ti said:
outlaw said:
if we never invented the wheel no one would speed.
if no one drove no one would ever crash.
if there want so many pathetic law they wouldent get broken.
if man never took any risk we would have never got to the moon.
we would still be in caves.
life would be shit.
Get my point ?
If we didn't speed, we wouldn't get tickets/nips/fines.
Get mine?
Would more people die as a result of us "criminals" NOT speeding?
If the answer is NO, more people wont die if we DONT speed, then your "stick to the limits" argument makes
-all sense. Cos, tell me this: If theres no difference in the numbers being killed, even though speeds are lower, then just whats the point of the limits? They MUST be incorrectly set, therefore the law is wrong and is fair game to be broken. Get MY point do you?
>> Edited by deltaf on Saturday 1st November 18:49
Photo evidence of PH'er on camera, but this was a fair cop..it was a bus lane scamera...it was just a twenty quid fine and no points cos it was three years ago...you can see the date on the pic.
Actually it wasn't really a fair cop as i was just undertaking someone who was turning right....but i couldn't be arsed to fight it for twenty notes....
>> Edited by hedders on Saturday 1st November 19:32
Actually it wasn't really a fair cop as i was just undertaking someone who was turning right....but i couldn't be arsed to fight it for twenty notes....
>> Edited by hedders on Saturday 1st November 19:32
318ti said:
i was in a shop and picked up a tv and ran for the exit without paying. Outside was a member of the public who called the police on their mobile phone, only to be told that there were no resources available. Upon hearing this the member of the public went home, only to find a NIP on their doormat for doing 66 in an NSL.
More realistic scenario methinks...
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