I crave more power... help!
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Hi guys,
Im back again looking for Lotus education. Over 1.5 years happy years as an Elise S2 owner, I now want an Exige.
I was looking at the 240 but they dont seem to come any older than 2008... My budget is up to 25K sterling.
I want to have amazing handling, which comes naturally of course, but I read the 240 is way heavier than what I am used to.
I also want to get 0-62 in up to 4 seconds flat.
Options, ideas please? Id even take a new Elise if I could get it.
I want decent heating system, as mine is s
te. Not too worried about a tow bar 
Thanks in advance
Im back again looking for Lotus education. Over 1.5 years happy years as an Elise S2 owner, I now want an Exige.
I was looking at the 240 but they dont seem to come any older than 2008... My budget is up to 25K sterling.
I want to have amazing handling, which comes naturally of course, but I read the 240 is way heavier than what I am used to.
I also want to get 0-62 in up to 4 seconds flat.
Options, ideas please? Id even take a new Elise if I could get it.
I want decent heating system, as mine is s
te. Not too worried about a tow bar Thanks in advance
Exige S means it's got a supercharger. The weakest engines have 218 bhp (and don't open the throttle fully due to the engine map), it's a map change and some bigger injectors for 250 bhp IIRC.
I've got an Exige S and it's excellent, though I too am craving more power.
Remember an Exige S with a few creature comforts is getting on for 1000 kg, more if you are big or carry a passenger. An S1 with a comparable power Honda engine will be a LOT faster, as they're a hell of a lot lighter. But the S2 Exige is bloody comfy and does it all, IMO, so I'll be looking to get more power out of the standard Toyota engine by the looks of things...
I've got an Exige S and it's excellent, though I too am craving more power.
Remember an Exige S with a few creature comforts is getting on for 1000 kg, more if you are big or carry a passenger. An S1 with a comparable power Honda engine will be a LOT faster, as they're a hell of a lot lighter. But the S2 Exige is bloody comfy and does it all, IMO, so I'll be looking to get more power out of the standard Toyota engine by the looks of things...
bananamana said:
That Exige S is disgusting. Also, it doesnt mention 200+ bhp... I wouldnt bother with an Exige 190...
lol, I have to agree!!Its an S though so you'll be well into 200 bhp.
Tony Hetherington was selling a great S in aspen white with all the trimmings, can't find it now so I assume its been sold.
cyberface said:
Exige S means it's got a supercharger. The weakest engines have 218 bhp (and don't open the throttle fully due to the engine map), it's a map change and some bigger injectors for 250 bhp IIRC.
I've got an Exige S and it's excellent, though I too am craving more power.
Remember an Exige S with a few creature comforts is getting on for 1000 kg, more if you are big or carry a passenger. An S1 with a comparable power Honda engine will be a LOT faster, as they're a hell of a lot lighter. But the S2 Exige is bloody comfy and does it all, IMO, so I'll be looking to get more power out of the standard Toyota engine by the looks of things...
Thanks - I did not know that! So the "S" seems to be what I am after...I've got an Exige S and it's excellent, though I too am craving more power.
Remember an Exige S with a few creature comforts is getting on for 1000 kg, more if you are big or carry a passenger. An S1 with a comparable power Honda engine will be a LOT faster, as they're a hell of a lot lighter. But the S2 Exige is bloody comfy and does it all, IMO, so I'll be looking to get more power out of the standard Toyota engine by the looks of things...
How does increasing the bhp to 250 affect reliability?
bananamana said:
mylesmcd said:
i offered you mine at 25k!!!!
I asked you questions and my final email said it was not 240 (I thought it was 190)!! You never informed me otherwise!Ill have another look at your email when I get home
if you wanted to come have a look, it ll be a sad day when she goes tho!!
Chris49 said:
Terrys car is a great car, OK paint scheme not to everyones liking but i can confirm that this is a supercharged version and a very clean example of a great Car.Tonyhertheringtons was also very nice, knowing Tony and Jay i think you would have been hard pushed to find an Exige with a better finish to the paint.
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Scuffers said:
TOENHEEL said:
A 218bhp Exige S is no slouch and you would need something mighty quick to keep up or pass it. Try driving one.
LOL!I take it from that your experience of quick cars is somewhat limited then?
The Exige S *is* a bloody quick little car. Yes, your Honda-engined S1 beasties are lighter and more powerful, hence a lot faster. However if you can drive a bit, I'd agree with Toe that there's not much out there that can live with one on a track with some turns in it.
The cars that are faster are, in general, considerably more exotic. Yeah there are loads of cars in the £50k+ segment that will (driven properly) get round, say, Brands Hatch, faster than an Exige S. But in the real world, with real cars, it *is* real world quick.
I'm disqualifying things like Atoms and Caterfields and especially Radicals because they're not usable road cars. Pretty much the only affordable thing faster than an Exige S is another Lotus, normally with an engine transplant or a better driver.
All 'in my opinion' of course, as you can see from my car ownership history on here I've not been wealthy enough to sample cars in the £50k+ price bracket. But the fastest I've ever been on track has been in the Lotus, and I used to drive that Noble like a complete loon - if I could do a time machine job and put the real me in my old Noble against the real me in my Exige then the Lotus would walk away at Brands...
What cars did you have in mind that compete with the Exige S for track performance? Just asking - if your comment is based on GT3RSs, Enzos, S1s with £20k worth of supercharged Honda conversion or Jap saloons with £85k spent on the bloody engine then I'd say that Toe was on the money.
cyberface said:
Scuffers said:
TOENHEEL said:
A 218bhp Exige S is no slouch and you would need something mighty quick to keep up or pass it. Try driving one.
LOL!I take it from that your experience of quick cars is somewhat limited then?
The Exige S *is* a bloody quick little car. Yes, your Honda-engined S1 beasties are lighter and more powerful, hence a lot faster. However if you can drive a bit, I'd agree with Toe that there's not much out there that can live with one on a track with some turns in it.
The cars that are faster are, in general, considerably more exotic. Yeah there are loads of cars in the £50k+ segment that will (driven properly) get round, say, Brands Hatch, faster than an Exige S. But in the real world, with real cars, it *is* real world quick.
I'm disqualifying things like Atoms and Caterfields and especially Radicals because they're not usable road cars. Pretty much the only affordable thing faster than an Exige S is another Lotus, normally with an engine transplant or a better driver.
All 'in my opinion' of course, as you can see from my car ownership history on here I've not been wealthy enough to sample cars in the £50k+ price bracket. But the fastest I've ever been on track has been in the Lotus, and I used to drive that Noble like a complete loon - if I could do a time machine job and put the real me in my old Noble against the real me in my Exige then the Lotus would walk away at Brands...
What cars did you have in mind that compete with the Exige S for track performance? Just asking - if your comment is based on GT3RSs, Enzos, S1s with £20k worth of supercharged Honda conversion or Jap saloons with £85k spent on the bloody engine then I'd say that Toe was on the money.
what *exactly* was aggressive about it?
asides that, there are plenty of cars faster than an Exige S, but for a start, you need to define what you mean by fast...
Ruling out Caterhams etc is pointless, just because they are cheaper?
I would argue a decent MX5 would keep with one round a track (on equivalent tyres), or a Seat Leon Cupra R, or a Ginetta G4 for example...
I wish people would get some perspective.....
It was the 'limited experience of fast cars' comment. Came across all wrong, but 'tis t'internet I guess. No big deal...
Anyway, I'm interested in your opinion because you know your st. My comment about Caterfields and similar machines is purely arbitrary - you may or may not agree - I thought this thread was about road cars and the Lotus makes a good road car; the Sevens don't. Not all year round. And assuming we're not talking about things you tow to the trackday in order to 'win at trackdays' then Lotus' product is pretty good, no?
Your two examples - the MX-5 and the Seat LCR - seriously? In standard trim, round a track? OK, so you said 'on similar tyres' and I'll give you that - obviously some of the Exige's performance is from the silly tyres which only work for half of the year
- but I bought my girlfriend a mk1 MX-5 years ago to learn oversteer in and, whilst she loved that car and it had already been tuned up by the previous Japanese owner, it didn't have any more than 140 bhp (it was a 1.6) and definitely weighed more than any Exige. I'm presuming you're talking about turbocharged MX-5s or supercharged cars, or engine transplants? If so, then sure - throw enough money and engineering talent at *any* car and it'll be faster than the Lotus.
As to the LCR - given equal driving talent and identical tyres, is it really faster than a stock Exige S without bolting on a huge turbo and remapping it? I know you can get big power from those motors, but again I thought we were talking about production cars.
What I was getting at is that Toe is right, in the world of production cars, the Exige S is no slouch and to 'beat them at trackdays', you in general either need a load of driving talent, a £50k+ car, a dedicated track machine (e.g. Radical / Caterfield), or some modified beast like one of your Honda Elises...
Anyway, I'm interested in your opinion because you know your s
t. My comment about Caterfields and similar machines is purely arbitrary - you may or may not agree - I thought this thread was about road cars and the Lotus makes a good road car; the Sevens don't. Not all year round. And assuming we're not talking about things you tow to the trackday in order to 'win at trackdays' then Lotus' product is pretty good, no?Your two examples - the MX-5 and the Seat LCR - seriously? In standard trim, round a track? OK, so you said 'on similar tyres' and I'll give you that - obviously some of the Exige's performance is from the silly tyres which only work for half of the year
- but I bought my girlfriend a mk1 MX-5 years ago to learn oversteer in and, whilst she loved that car and it had already been tuned up by the previous Japanese owner, it didn't have any more than 140 bhp (it was a 1.6) and definitely weighed more than any Exige. I'm presuming you're talking about turbocharged MX-5s or supercharged cars, or engine transplants? If so, then sure - throw enough money and engineering talent at *any* car and it'll be faster than the Lotus.As to the LCR - given equal driving talent and identical tyres, is it really faster than a stock Exige S without bolting on a huge turbo and remapping it? I know you can get big power from those motors, but again I thought we were talking about production cars.
What I was getting at is that Toe is right, in the world of production cars, the Exige S is no slouch and to 'beat them at trackdays', you in general either need a load of driving talent, a £50k+ car, a dedicated track machine (e.g. Radical / Caterfield), or some modified beast like one of your Honda Elises...
I didnt expect a reaction like that.. like cyber says my comment was refering to road use and even track use to some degree, yes S1 exige/elise with engine transplants can be mighty quick but if your using a car everyday for work and need some comforts the supercharged S2 cars are cracking and theres not much that can live with them unless you go all hardcore and use fully track prep'd cars on the road.
I followed a 997S home tonight and the Lotus was every bit as quick, that in my eyes means the Lotus is a quick car then you can go a stage further and say the transplanted cars are hyper quick.
On another note like Cyber says you can have all the power in the world but if you dont know what your doing then much slower cars can pass you.
I followed a 997S home tonight and the Lotus was every bit as quick, that in my eyes means the Lotus is a quick car then you can go a stage further and say the transplanted cars are hyper quick.
On another note like Cyber says you can have all the power in the world but if you dont know what your doing then much slower cars can pass you.
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