ex -MI5 Head...UK now a police state
Discussion
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/art...
Having lived in the UK many years ago,it does now seem to be the extreme case in Western democracies. I always worry that all these powers fall into the wrong hands. Living in Canada and only visiting the UK once or twice a year, its difficult for me to assess it properly. What do UK PH'ers, (i.e. most) think????
Having lived in the UK many years ago,it does now seem to be the extreme case in Western democracies. I always worry that all these powers fall into the wrong hands. Living in Canada and only visiting the UK once or twice a year, its difficult for me to assess it properly. What do UK PH'ers, (i.e. most) think????
It rather depends how you look at things. Certainly the current administration have done a great job of criminalising the average citizen. Mostly through the anti car anti mobility policies and the promotion of certain bent NGOs.
On the other hand it is clear now that intimidating judges by thratening their children with mutilation works and at least 1 double murderer is walking free through this technique. When the Krays were in full cry in the 60s this country was certainly not a police state and the police were brave servants of the community to a man and woman. Nowadays, however the police collectively have a big yellow stripe down their backs and largely ignore crime as we the general public percieve it in favour of targetting the generall law abiding as they put up no resistance.
In the end though it comes down to quality of leadership. The leadership we have had for the last 50 years has been of the poorest quality ever, not a single issue has been tackled and the standard of governance has been apalling
On the other hand it is clear now that intimidating judges by thratening their children with mutilation works and at least 1 double murderer is walking free through this technique. When the Krays were in full cry in the 60s this country was certainly not a police state and the police were brave servants of the community to a man and woman. Nowadays, however the police collectively have a big yellow stripe down their backs and largely ignore crime as we the general public percieve it in favour of targetting the generall law abiding as they put up no resistance.
In the end though it comes down to quality of leadership. The leadership we have had for the last 50 years has been of the poorest quality ever, not a single issue has been tackled and the standard of governance has been apalling
It's either very ironic that the former head of internal security and UK home intelligence who was paid to field personnel around the country to spy on the general public thinks that the UK is now a police state. Or rather very worrying if she thinks it's worse than the surveillance projects she used to sign off.
CommanderJameson said:
Is it better that a handful of guilty men walk free than millions of people have their freedom infringed?
I think so.
Totally agree.I think so.
However, Govt think people want to be 'protected' and that them building databases (which they'll then lose), networks of CCTV processes and proceedures that serve to irritate for the most part and are simply an infringement or inconvenience to most with the hope of catching one or two 'wrong 'uns'.
For my money, the government would be better educating poeple about what society is all about and how rewarding it is being a part of a community and not some selfish individual that beleives they can get away with anything, so long as they're not caught on CCTV.
nonegreen said:
It rather depends how you look at things. Certainly the current administration have done a great job of criminalising the average citizen. Mostly through the anti car anti mobility policies and the promotion of certain bent NGOs.
On the other hand it is clear now that intimidating judges by thratening their children with mutilation works and at least 1 double murderer is walking free through this technique. When the Krays were in full cry in the 60s this country was certainly not a police state and the police were brave servants of the community to a man and woman. Nowadays, however the police collectively have a big yellow stripe down their backs and largely ignore crime as we the general public percieve it in favour of targetting the generall law abiding as they put up no resistance.
In the end though it comes down to quality of leadership. The leadership we have had for the last 50 years has been of the poorest quality ever, not a single issue has been tackled and the standard of governance has been apalling
I was very happy with our leadership during the 80s. Ahhh Maggie On the other hand it is clear now that intimidating judges by thratening their children with mutilation works and at least 1 double murderer is walking free through this technique. When the Krays were in full cry in the 60s this country was certainly not a police state and the police were brave servants of the community to a man and woman. Nowadays, however the police collectively have a big yellow stripe down their backs and largely ignore crime as we the general public percieve it in favour of targetting the generall law abiding as they put up no resistance.
In the end though it comes down to quality of leadership. The leadership we have had for the last 50 years has been of the poorest quality ever, not a single issue has been tackled and the standard of governance has been apalling
Have we started another thread in case the original one is under state surveillance?
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CommanderJameson said:
Is it better that a handful of guilty men walk free than millions of people have their freedom infringed?
I think so.
I don't see why the guilty men are let walk free at all. The Yorkshire Ripper for instance. Why not shoot the bI think so.
d, then we would all be that bit more free.FourWheelDrift said:
It's either very ironic that the former head of internal security and UK home intelligence who was paid to field personnel around the country to spy on the general public thinks that the UK is now a police state. Or rather very worrying if she thinks it's worse than the surveillance projects she used to sign off.
Eaxactly my first thought, too.cardigankid said:
CommanderJameson said:
Is it better that a handful of guilty men walk free than millions of people have their freedom infringed?
I think so.
I don't see why the guilty men are let walk free at all. The Yorkshire Ripper for instance. Why not shoot the bI think so.
d, then we would all be that bit more free.Gassing Station | The Pie & Piston Archive | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff