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Im in the process of rebuilding my gto3r. Just wondering if anyone know the changes they made to the cam timing on the M400? Or if anyone has a diagram of how it was set etc? I think the inlet cams were advanced but not sure how much. Will be changing the valve springs and retainers to the uprated ones
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How sure are you? Been speaking to noble motorsport about things, as the engine is out and fully stripped down it would make sense for me to do all the work then take it to them to get it mapped. As ive already done the fuel pump, exhaust, intercooler and doing the valve springs then I could do it at same time. I can see their point about them wanting to not tell me as its something that they offer, just seems a lot of effort for me to rebuild it, all new gaskets etc then they have to spend a day to take it to bits again!
Might have been exhaust timing....hold on....OllyV8 said:
How sure are you? Been speaking to noble motorsport about things, as the engine is out and fully stripped down it would make sense for me to do all the work then take it to them to get it mapped. As ive already done the fuel pump, exhaust, intercooler and doing the valve springs then I could do it at same time. I can see their point about them wanting to not tell me as its something that they offer, just seems a lot of effort for me to rebuild it, all new gaskets etc then they have to spend a day to take it to bits again!
so noble motorsport wont tell you??.thats very friendly No they wouldnt, were being quite off with me to be honest, just because I am doing it myself rather than paying them to do it. He also said that ford wouldnt supply me with any parts, after speaking to for this morning though I have ordered an oil pump, timing chain tensioners and full gasket set no problems and got all the part numbers. Can kind of see why they wont tell me what they do to the timing as I could then start my own business offering it cheaper than they can. It just seems daft for me to build the engine and them to then take it to bits again!
Any info on the cam timing would be great if anyone knows.
Cheers
Olly
Any info on the cam timing would be great if anyone knows.
Cheers
Olly
OllyV8 said:
No they wouldnt, were being quite off with me to be honest, just because I am doing it myself rather than paying them to do it. He also said that ford wouldnt supply me with any parts, after speaking to for this morning though I have ordered an oil pump, timing chain tensioners and full gasket set no problems and got all the part numbers. Can kind of see why they wont tell me what they do to the timing as I could then start my own business offering it cheaper than they can. It just seems daft for me to build the engine and them to then take it to bits again!
Any info on the cam timing would be great if anyone knows.
Cheers
Olly
Personally Olly, I would suggest sticking to standard unless you have an in depth understanding of valve timing and ovelap and its consequences. 17 degrees is A LOT.Any info on the cam timing would be great if anyone knows.
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Olly
Tuning the car correctly should reap safer benefits.
Timing is shown here http://www.nobleforums.com/showthread.php?t=4028&a...
Mike
OllyV8 said:
No they wouldnt, were being quite off with me to be honest, just because I am doing it myself rather than paying them to do it. He also said that ford wouldnt supply me with any parts, after speaking to for this morning though I have ordered an oil pump, timing chain tensioners and full gasket set no problems and got all the part numbers. Can kind of see why they wont tell me what they do to the timing as I could then start my own business offering it cheaper than they can. It just seems daft for me to build the engine and them to then take it to bits again!
Any info on the cam timing would be great if anyone knows.
Cheers
Olly
bloody kids!!."its my ball n your not playing with it"Any info on the cam timing would be great if anyone knows.
Cheers
Olly
I know 17 degrees is a lot thats why we are trying to find out what noble motorsport change it to.
When I spoke to them they said when they built the engines they had to "put a restriction in" but on the M400 they didnt. When I asked what they do they said "cam alterations" I asked if they re-grind the profiles, he said no its to do with the timing. Im fairly sure it can only be altering the chains by 1 tooth or something, you cant get the gears off the end to fit vernier pullys so it must be pretty basic. Id just like to find out, I was going to take it to them to get it mapped after ive done all the work, and its going to save me 7 hours of their time if I can get it done ready
When I spoke to them they said when they built the engines they had to "put a restriction in" but on the M400 they didnt. When I asked what they do they said "cam alterations" I asked if they re-grind the profiles, he said no its to do with the timing. Im fairly sure it can only be altering the chains by 1 tooth or something, you cant get the gears off the end to fit vernier pullys so it must be pretty basic. Id just like to find out, I was going to take it to them to get it mapped after ive done all the work, and its going to save me 7 hours of their time if I can get it done ready
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