Replacing central heating pump in awkward position
Replacing central heating pump in awkward position
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mybrainhurts

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90,809 posts

284 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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My boiler was originally accessed from outside the house. A full sized door opened on to the boiler.

The previous owner of the house then built an extension, so the boiler is now in the dining room.

The old door was replaced with doors slightly higher than the boiler. A lintel was installed and the area occupied by the top of the old door was bricked up and plastered.

Consequently, it's now impossible to lean over the top of the boiler without demolishing the new bit of wall and removing the lintel.

Which leaves me a gap between the side of the boiler and a wall to get one arm to the pump.

The pump is behind, and to the side of, the boiler.

Is it do-able to change the pump with one hand at full stretch, or will I have to demolish the bloody wall....?

The previous owner of the house used to be a friend...irked

Iain328

14,972 posts

235 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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mybrainhurts said:
My boiler was originally accessed from outside the house. A full sized door opened on to the boiler.

The previous owner of the house then built an extension, so the boiler is now in the dining room.

The old door was replaced with doors slightly higher than the boiler. A lintel was installed and the area occupied by the top of the old door was bricked up and plastered.

Consequently, it's now impossible to lean over the top of the boiler without demolishing the new bit of wall and removing the lintel.

Which leaves me a gap between the side of the boiler and a wall to get one arm to the pump.

The pump is behind, and to the side of, the boiler.

Is it do-able to change the pump with one hand at full stretch, or will I have to demolish the bloody wall....?

The previous owner of the house used to be a friend...irked
Sounds like you ought to cut a neat hole & then make some kind of removeable maintenance hatch to go over it.

A disc cutter would probably cut the neatest hole - but would also make hideous amounts of dust too. Maybe stitch drill it (i.e. lots of small holes)


ferrisbueller

30,306 posts

256 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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mybrainhurts

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90,809 posts

284 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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You might be right...frown

Ferg

15,242 posts

286 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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I reckon you'd have a chance so long as you drained the system and took it off at the compression joint on the pump valve... The only way you'd get the flange-nut off one handed would be with oxy-acetylene and that'd get messy. smile




Engineer1

10,486 posts

238 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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cutting an access hatch sounds like a good idea, a boiler that can't be accessed to work on will cause problems later, and a pump that you fitted hanging upside down working one handed will probably result in a leaky joint.

King Herald

23,501 posts

245 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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I know the feeling, as I used to work in a yacht marina, on boats where they install the engine, then build the rest of the luxury boat around it. I've done many an engine service/rebuild/repair with one arm, blind, upside down, lubricated with gallons of foul language. rage

GreenV8S

31,010 posts

313 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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mybrainhurts said:
Is it do-able to change the pump with one hand at full stretch
rofl no. frown

mybrainhurts

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Saturday 21st February 2009
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GreenV8S said:
mybrainhurts said:
Is it do-able to change the pump with one hand at full stretch
rofl no. frown
Thank you sir...I throw my shoe at you...irked

Thanks, lads, access hatch isn't an option as the other side is the lounge with a gas fire adjoining the wall that sticks out to house the boiler on t'other side. And the dining room is at a lower level than the lounge, so the pump is probably below the lounge floor level.

The pump is on a vertical pipe and has isolation valves on both ends, so I'm going to give it a go. Just hope the valves aren't jammed, but they've been there for 34 years, so probably are...

[BlasterBates]Everything forward and trust in the lord [/BlasterBates].....

On completion, I shall be mostly seeking out the builder who did this, and inserting the old pump up his arrus...

Ferg

15,242 posts

286 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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Might I suggest having the header tank isolated and a hose on a drain-off ready and undoing those flange-nuts will be almost impossible..

mybrainhurts

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284 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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Thanks....:sigh:

finlo

4,453 posts

232 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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Leave the old one in place and fit a new one in a more accessible place?

mybrainhurts

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90,809 posts

284 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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finlo said:
Leave the old one in place and fit a new one in a more accessible place?
The boiler is in what might be described as a concrete bunker.

How far away can a pump be fitted...?

Edited by mybrainhurts on Saturday 21st February 20:40

finlo

4,453 posts

232 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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It can go anywhere in the circuit, but preferably on the return leg as its cooler.

mybrainhurts

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Saturday 21st February 2009
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Even upstairs...?

Ferg

15,242 posts

286 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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It can't go anywhere. You must avoid obstructing the vent and care should be taken to avoid placing it in a postion where it can pull air down the vent when it starts. There also may be issues with automatic air vents if you have any. I'd advise against leaving a non-running pump in the circuit too...

Mr Fenix

863 posts

234 months

Sunday 22nd February 2009
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I hate to say this but it sounds like the system wasn't installed by a proper heating engineer. Anyone who knows anything about plumbing or heating installs will always plan for easy access for future maintenance or repairs. Personally if I planned on staying in the house for a few years, I'd rip the entire lot out and do it properly from scratch with easy access and future proofing in mind.

Yes it would cost a few bob but having been through the torture of a broken boiler and flue in a very awkward position during a cold winter, I'd never put myself through that again. Most of the plumbers that came out told me they could replace the boiler without removing most of a wall and relocating the flue, not something they could do until 3-4 weeks away.

Best of luck if the one armed blind technique doesn't work.


catso

16,369 posts

296 months

Sunday 22nd February 2009
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Can you remove the boiler to then get at the pump?

mybrainhurts

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Sunday 22nd February 2009
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Mr Fenix said:
I hate to say this but it sounds like the system wasn't installed by a proper heating engineer.
The problem was the builder who modified the boiler housing.

mybrainhurts

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Sunday 22nd February 2009
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catso said:
Can you remove the boiler to then get at the pump?
Now you're thinking...

I'm wondering if I could tunnel in from the garden and come up through the concrete floor...