RE: Daylight Robbery on M4
Monday 3rd November 2003

Daylight Robbery on M4

Safety Camera blunder sees innocent motorists fined


A blundering Welsh safety camera partnership has admitted to a "mistake" having sited a speed camera outside the limit that it was supposed to be enforcing. The camera was placed to catch drivers speeding in a temporary 50 mph limit in roadworks on the M4 outside Newport. Instead it photographed aproximately 2,500 drivers who had left the speed limited zone and were legally and properly increasing their speed to normal motorway speed.

The innocent drivers, who have paid fines totalling aproximately £150,000 to the camera partnership, are now entitled to ask for their fines to be refunded and for the penalty points to be removed from their driving licences. But in a shock announcement, the camera partnership has stated that it has no intention of contacting the drivers to inform them of the mistake.

Instead it is "considering appeals" from individual drivers. So far there have been ten of these, and all have had their convictions overturned.

The ABD's Roads and Traffic spokesman, Mark McArthur-Christie said "The camera was wrongly sited for over a year and presumably people have been wrongly convicted by it for all that time. It is bad enough that the partnership has not immediately contacted each and and every driver wrongly convicted by this trap, and immediately offered a refund, erasure of points, and compensation ."

He continued "As the public are becoming increasingly aware, the costs do not stop with the fines. Many of these drivers will have been stigmatised and penalised by having to pay hundreds of pounds in higher insurance premiums. Worse still, some may have been banned and lost their livelihood, all because of a "mistake" over the siting of a speed camera. It is a complete disgrace. No wonder the Camera Partnership is keeping quiet about it. They could be facing huge compensation claims for lost licences and ruined careers. "

Link : www.abd.org.uk

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Swilly

Original Poster:

9,699 posts

295 months

Monday 3rd November 2003
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I was done in the roadworks adjacent Margam for 3 points and £60 in Jan/Feb 2002. Hopefully these are the same works.

toad_oftoadhall

936 posts

272 months

Monday 3rd November 2003
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Since all these people must have confessed is there not an issue about every speed camera conviction in the country?

Confessions are clearly not a safe basis for a conviction.

grahambell

2,720 posts

296 months

Monday 3rd November 2003
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This is from the same lot that brought us the 480mph Maestro. (www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=64913&f=23&h=0)

Suggest they rename themselves the South Wales Fk-up Partnership.

jeffreyarcher

675 posts

269 months

Tuesday 4th November 2003
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grahambell said:
This is from the same lot that brought us the 480mph Maestro. ( www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=64913&f=23&h=0 )
Suggest they rename themselves the South Wales Fk-up Partnership.

I would disagree strongly. Fk-up merely suggests incompetence. One does not need to be malicious to be incompetent.
I would suggest the South Wales Legalised Robbery, Fraud, Extortion and Perjury Partnership.

>> Edited by jeffreyarcher on Tuesday 4th November 01:21

cho

927 posts

296 months

Tuesday 4th November 2003
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This just highlights thestupidity of speed cameras. We have a camera that has been put in the wrong place and catching people speeding. How has this camera managed to save any lives. Does the fact that it has been positioned 10-20 metres either side of the temporary limit automatically make it a life saver?

Don

28,378 posts

305 months

Tuesday 4th November 2003
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Actually this is bigger news than at first appears. Since the lying cheating theiving shysters have made an error a local newspaper really needs to keep running the story until each and every miscarriage of justice has been corrected, the points removed and the fine returned.

It could tie up the partnership for months.

And then there's the claims.

Details of which camera, when, where which dates are eligible for an appeal need to be published on the internet to make making the appeal straightforward.

This is the ideal opportunity to send the partnership broke.

madant69

847 posts

268 months

Tuesday 4th November 2003
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jeffreyarcher said:
I would disagree strongly. Fk-up merely suggests incompetence. One does not need to be malicious to be incompetent.
I would suggest the South Wales Legalised Robbery, Fraud, Extortion and Perjury Partnership.


And you'd know all about that, eh Jeffrey?

JonRB

78,993 posts

293 months

Tuesday 4th November 2003
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Don said:
Details of which camera, when, where which dates are eligible for an appeal need to be published on the internet to make making the appeal straightforward.

This is the ideal opportunity to send the partnership broke.
Here here (or is it "hear hear"?).

This is certainly in the public interest and the information should be disseminated as widely as possible.

Buffalo

5,472 posts

275 months

Tuesday 4th November 2003
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Bluddy shocking really. Its one thing to publicly admit a mistake, its another to blatantly in public refuse to give back illegally gotten reward money unless the wrongly accused actually ask for it.

Is that not theft or fraud or something?? Or do they get away with it by agreeing to give it back if you make the effort to retrieve it..?

Fckers!

Cooperman

4,428 posts

271 months

Tuesday 4th November 2003
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I posted this on an earlier thread, but I believe the officials responsible for the decision not to contact those prosecuted and fined incorrectly are guilty of:
"Malfeasance in a Public Office."
This is, according to a Met Police Inspector friend, a criminal offence for which proceedings may be instigated by the CPS as a result of a complaint by one of the agrieved parties. Perhaps the ABD should take this matter up with the Home Office or the Police Complaints Authority. Could one of our BiB friends comment on this, please.

Pierscoe1

2,458 posts

282 months

Tuesday 4th November 2003
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That is utterly appalling!
For once I don't know what to say.
How on earth can they possibly be allowed to behave like this? it must be illegal?!?!?

if you go to a cash machine and request £10 and it dishes out £1000 you can still be prosecuted for theft if you take it.. no?

rot in hell.. the lot of them!

Buffalo

5,472 posts

275 months

Wednesday 5th November 2003
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Cooperman said:
I posted this on an earlier thread, but I believe the officials responsible for the decision not to contact those prosecuted and fined incorrectly are guilty of:
"Malfeasance in a Public Office."
This is, according to a Met Police Inspector friend, a criminal offence for which proceedings may be instigated by the CPS as a result of a complaint by one of the agrieved parties. Perhaps the ABD should take this matter up with the Home Office or the Police Complaints Authority. Could one of our BiB friends comment on this, please.


Could you email the ABD or something..? Not sure if they will read it here, nor even realise the situation. If you highlighted the possible case, they may well take it up!

Proaction, not reaction and all that jazz!

CarZee

13,382 posts

288 months

Friday 7th November 2003
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it's not all bad news though... this sort of truth always comes out and such disreputable conduct is what will be the undoing of these hateful zealots.

You can bet now the press have got a taste for it, more examples of this sort of thing will turn up.

BigDawg

20 posts

264 months

Friday 30th January 2004
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I GOT DONE DOWN THERE!! How do we find out what to do? What is the procedure for appealing now?

Craig

_Al_

5,618 posts

279 months

Saturday 31st January 2004
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Craig; seek proper legal advice! You could take them to court for a REAL CRIMINAL offence as mentioned above!!!