Thinking of moving to Spain
Thinking of moving to Spain
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m3sye

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26,231 posts

232 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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I am seriously considering running my UK business abroad (Spain) and would like to know what the tax implications would be.

My customers are generated via the web and will call/email me. My landline number is a through voip so I could basically trade anywhere in the world where there is internet access.

I would ideally keep my UK Bank account.

How best would this be done?? Ie would it be better to keep it reg here or open it in spain with Spanish banks. My only issue with that would be payments i.e how long do they take to clear?

Thx in advance

Eric Mc

125,897 posts

296 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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You might neeed to talk to a Spanish tax specialist. My hunch is that taxes will be higher overall in Spain compared to the UK.

Vixpy1

42,699 posts

295 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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Tax is a fair bit higher in Spain, especially if you earn a fair bit.

Eric Mc

125,897 posts

296 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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You also need to understand that "moving" to Spain does not mean that you will automatically escape UK taxes.

Robin Hood

703 posts

236 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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I've spent some years in Spain. Halifax have branches in the popular areas www.halifax.es and if you have a UK Halifax bank account also you can transfer funds between the two free of all charges.

If you do go for it ensure the intended property has a working telephone line, it can take months for Telefonica to put one in. If the property has has had a line before and it's been disconnected they don't do it like BT. They take out the phone and all the wiring back to the telegraph pole, nightmare to get it put back in again, months as said frown

m3sye

Original Poster:

26,231 posts

232 months

Sunday 22nd February 2009
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Eric Mc said:
You also need to understand that "moving" to Spain does not mean that you will automatically escape UK taxes.
I am not going to escape taxes I am going for hopefully a better life.

I am happy(well as happy as you can be) to pay my taxes I just want to understand the best way of doing this financially.


m3sye

Original Poster:

26,231 posts

232 months

Sunday 22nd February 2009
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Robin Hood said:
I've spent some years in Spain. Halifax have branches in the popular areas www.halifax.es and if you have a UK Halifax bank account also you can transfer funds between the two free of all charges.

If you do go for it ensure the intended property has a working telephone line, it can take months for Telefonica to put one in. If the property has has had a line before and it's been disconnected they don't do it like BT. They take out the phone and all the wiring back to the telegraph pole, nightmare to get it put back in again, months as said frown
Thanks for that, I will be using VOIP for my calls so this is a necessity

Eric Mc

125,897 posts

296 months

Sunday 22nd February 2009
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m3sye said:
Eric Mc said:
You also need to understand that "moving" to Spain does not mean that you will automatically escape UK taxes.
I am not going to escape taxes I am going for hopefully a better life.

I am happy(well as happy as you can be) to pay my taxes I just want to understand the best way of doing this financially.
I didn't say you were - but people sometimes assume that once they move they will no longer have to worry about tax issues in their "old" country. By and large, they don't, but only if they ensure that they do the right things and don't fall fould of tax residency rules. You wouldn't want to be taxed twice.

Jasper Gilder

2,166 posts

304 months

Sunday 22nd February 2009
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My understanding is that there is a dual taxation agreement between EU countries to prevent businesses being taxed on the same profit twice. My recollection is that if you spend a lot of time in Spain you are required to have a residencia - this is part citizenship, but it does make you part of the Spanish system in all respects

What you need to get round the legal minefield is a good abrogado (lawyer)who can help you stay on the right side of things. One who is used to dealing with ex-pats is best

As this is a motoring site it's worth mentioning that if you take your UK car over and stop paying UK road fund licence (as many do)you will eventually be required to put your car on Spanish plates - which can now be done for RHD cars

Eric Mc

125,897 posts

296 months

Sunday 22nd February 2009
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AND, if the OP runs his business through a UK limited company, he will find that moving to Spain will have no affect on the company's liability to UK taxes (although he might escape UK income tax and NI on personal salary or dividends).

The Moose

23,706 posts

240 months

Sunday 22nd February 2009
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Robin Hood said:
you can transfer funds between the two free of all charges.
Bet its a st rate tho!!

jamesuk28

2,176 posts

284 months

Monday 23rd February 2009
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Sounds like a bloody great idea, my choice would be France though

GPSS

694 posts

242 months

Monday 23rd February 2009
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Robin Hood said:
I've spent some years in Spain. Halifax have branches in the popular areas www.halifax.es and if you have a UK Halifax bank account also you can transfer funds between the two free of all charges.

If you do go for it ensure the intended property has a working telephone line, it can take months for Telefonica to put one in. If the property has has had a line before and it's been disconnected they don't do it like BT. They take out the phone and all the wiring back to the telegraph pole, nightmare to get it put back in again, months as said frown
I lived on Mallorca for 5 years, lived in a few properites and always found telefonica to offer a 1st class service.
If you live in Spain for more than 6 months of the year, you will pay tax on your worldwide income, however your business will then not be taxed by the UK government. If you can move your business to spain, do it.

GPSS

694 posts

242 months

Monday 23rd February 2009
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Robin Hood said:
I've spent some years in Spain. Halifax have branches in the popular areas www.halifax.es and if you have a UK Halifax bank account also you can transfer funds between the two free of all charges.

If you do go for it ensure the intended property has a working telephone line, it can take months for Telefonica to put one in. If the property has has had a line before and it's been disconnected they don't do it like BT. They take out the phone and all the wiring back to the telegraph pole, nightmare to get it put back in again, months as said frown
I lived on Mallorca for 5 years, lived in a few properites and always found telefonica to offer a 1st class service.
If you live in Spain for more than 6 months of the year, you will pay tax on your worldwide income, however your business will then not be taxed by the UK government. If you can move your business to spain, do it.

Eric Mc

125,897 posts

296 months

Monday 23rd February 2009
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GPSS said:
Robin Hood said:
I've spent some years in Spain. Halifax have branches in the popular areas www.halifax.es and if you have a UK Halifax bank account also you can transfer funds between the two free of all charges.

If you do go for it ensure the intended property has a working telephone line, it can take months for Telefonica to put one in. If the property has has had a line before and it's been disconnected they don't do it like BT. They take out the phone and all the wiring back to the telegraph pole, nightmare to get it put back in again, months as said frown
I lived on Mallorca for 5 years, lived in a few properites and always found telefonica to offer a 1st class service.
If you live in Spain for more than 6 months of the year, you will pay tax on your worldwide income, however your business will then not be taxed by the UK government. If you can move your business to spain, do it.
If the business is run through a UK limited company it will still be subject to Corporation tax on its profits.

Robin Hood

703 posts

236 months

Monday 23rd February 2009
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The Moose said:
Robin Hood said:
you can transfer funds between the two free of all charges.
Bet its a st rate tho!!
It wasn't actually, at the time I also had a UK RBS account, if I transferred using RBS there were charges to send and charges to receive. Using Halifax the rate was the same and no charges.

Robin Hood

703 posts

236 months

Monday 23rd February 2009
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GPSS said:
Robin Hood said:
I've spent some years in Spain. Halifax have branches in the popular areas www.halifax.es and if you have a UK Halifax bank account also you can transfer funds between the two free of all charges.

If you do go for it ensure the intended property has a working telephone line, it can take months for Telefonica to put one in. If the property has has had a line before and it's been disconnected they don't do it like BT. They take out the phone and all the wiring back to the telegraph pole, nightmare to get it put back in again, months as said frown
I lived on Mallorca for 5 years, lived in a few properites and always found telefonica to offer a 1st class service.
If you live in Spain for more than 6 months of the year, you will pay tax on your worldwide income, however your business will then not be taxed by the UK government. If you can move your business to spain, do it.
My Telefonica experience was Costa Blanca 1994 to 2004 and many others were in the same boat, regular grumble in the local paper at the time. May have improved now, couldn't get any worse.

StevieBee

15,489 posts

286 months

Monday 23rd February 2009
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Any reason why Spain? - apart from the climate?

There's some good incentives for certain businesses to set up shop in developing parts of Europe at the moment. I have some good contacts in the British Embassies in Bucharest and Sofia. PM me if you need more info,

dcb

6,070 posts

296 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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StevieBee said:
Any reason why Spain? - apart from the climate?
and the food and the laid back lifestyle and the cheap
booze and the 100,000 Brits already living out there ...

The New Yorkers have Florida, the Brits have Spain.


m3sye

Original Poster:

26,231 posts

232 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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dcb said:
StevieBee said:
Any reason why Spain? - apart from the climate?
and the food and the laid back lifestyle and the cheap
booze and the 100,000 Brits already living out there ...

The New Yorkers have Florida, the Brits have Spain.
Pretty much as he said. I want the climate and the xpat's currently out there will make it easier to make new friends