my architect has moved the goalposts
my architect has moved the goalposts
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unclemark123

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883 posts

237 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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ok so im half way through converting my house into 2 flats. top floor is now finished and let.
ground floor - silly me has lost my architects drawings, so i have requested copies.
they arrived this morning and he has specified i dry line the external walls on the rear half of the house, which has realy pissed me off, as most of the work is complete and will be a major expense and headache to achieve. this was definatly not on the original drawings.

what should i do ? he has also included an invoice for £500 frown

AlexKP

16,484 posts

273 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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unclemark123 said:
what should i do ?
Speak to him?

ChristianZS

2,640 posts

242 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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take his plans and draw them back on?

fathomfive

11,214 posts

219 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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Kill him to death.

unclemark123

Original Poster:

883 posts

237 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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anonymous said:
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i have, and he says its to deal with the lack of cavity on the rear of the house.
but its not much good now that the top is finished and let and the ground floor is almost finished !

The Moose

23,672 posts

238 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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fathomfive said:
Kill him to death.
YEAH

That'll learn him

Jasandjules

72,560 posts

258 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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Does your builder not have a copy of the plans which he was working to?

Are the new copies dated at all?
What is the bill for £500 for? Producing copies?

unclemark123

Original Poster:

883 posts

237 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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Jasandjules said:
Does your builder not have a copy of the plans which he was working to?

Are the new copies dated at all?
What is the bill for £500 for? Producing copies?
i am the builder. the £500 is for the work he has done, not the copies. not sure if they are dated, will check.
how can he make revisions this late on in the game !

Jasandjules

72,560 posts

258 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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Did you instruct him then and this is your own house? Or a client's house? IF client, then does the client not have a copy of the original plans?
Has he (architect) been paid at all to date?



unclemark123

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883 posts

237 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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Jasandjules said:
Did you instruct him then and this is your own house? Or a client's house? IF client, then does the client not have a copy of the original plans?
Has he (architect) been paid at all to date?
yes my house and my instruction.

i have lost the originals - duh

he has already been paid £500 up to date, this is his final invoice.

piss boiling alert. :angry:

unclemark123

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883 posts

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Saturday 21st February 2009
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Los Angeles said:
If he is charging for new drawings correcting his error, the cost is his. Just tell him face-to-face and then laugh, as if you knew his invoice was a joke.

If he is only charging you for copies of drawings why did he not advise you of the cost in advance? Check the small print in your contract.
no the invoice is correct, his final one. but im annoyed he has revised the drawings at he last minute.this can potentially cause problems with the builing inspector as i havent stuck to the plans.

singlecoil

35,825 posts

275 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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unclemark123 said:
Los Angeles said:
If he is charging for new drawings correcting his error, the cost is his. Just tell him face-to-face and then laugh, as if you knew his invoice was a joke.

If he is only charging you for copies of drawings why did he not advise you of the cost in advance? Check the small print in your contract.
no the invoice is correct, his final one. but im annoyed he has revised the drawings at he last minute.this can potentially cause problems with the builing inspector as i havent stuck to the plans.
Why were you complaining about the invoice if it is correct? Why are you linking the two issues?

speedy_thrills

7,901 posts

272 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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Most drawing offices I've worked at keep previous revisions of drawings (legal thingy). You could always ask for a set prior to revision.

I don't suppose you got in writing that the drawings had been finalised? frown

Nolar Dog

8,786 posts

224 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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Kick his french windows in? wink

EDLT

15,421 posts

235 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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Use a couple of jumpers.

Jasandjules

72,560 posts

258 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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singlecoil said:
Why were you complaining about the invoice if it is correct? Why are you linking the two issues?
Well I suppose because he's now thinking the fellow has fekced up his building and caused him a lot more work and now he wants his money for it..........

You could always ask him why the plans have changed?

Chairman LMAO

666 posts

224 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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Architect here:

Sounds like he has altered a small part of your plans in order to meet current building regulations, something he should have done in the first place. A cavity wall is not necessary though, other solutions [quote from building regs];

• External

This involves adding a decorative weather-proof insulating treatment to the outside of your wall. The thickness of the insulation needs to be between 50 and 100mm and is usually installed where there are severe heating problems or the exterior of the building requires some form of other repair work providing the opportunity of adding insulation.

• Internal

Solid walls can also be insulated by applying internal wall insulation. Types include ready made insulation/plaster board laminates or wooden battens in-filled with insulation or flexible linings.

Insulation/plaster board laminates usually consist of plasterboard backed with insulating material typically to a total thickness of up to 90mm.

Hope this helps. Regarding the architect; Did you ask for any alterations or additional work? if not then refuse to pay, there may be a charge for the drawings (say £30 for printing). If you want me to take a look (for nowt) then take a scan/picture and mail it to me.


MrV

2,748 posts

257 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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unclemark123 said:
ok so im half way through converting my house into 2 flats. top floor is now finished and let.
ground floor - silly me has lost my architects drawings, so i have requested copies.
they arrived this morning and he has specified i dry line the external walls on the rear half of the house, which has realy pissed me off, as most of the work is complete and will be a major expense and headache to achieve. this was definatly not on the original drawings.

what should i do ? he has also included an invoice for £500 frown
This Dry lining is it spec'd for the first and ground floor ? I ask as if you already have it let I am assuming it has already been passed off ?

evo801

243 posts

224 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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Surely there was a 'subject to alter' claus in the contract?


cobra kid

5,578 posts

269 months

Saturday 21st February 2009
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The Moose said:
fathomfive said:
Kill him to death.
YEAH

That'll learn him
in his face