Whoops I melted 6 pistons!
Whoops I melted 6 pistons!
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cptsideways

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13,829 posts

275 months

Sunday 22nd February 2009
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Well after two years of abuse the Soarer finally dies, dodgy fuel pump causing it to run lean under load finally saw the end of the 1JZ lump, when it suddenly started breathing really badly!.

Today it was stripped down to reveal 6 melted pistons biggrin Proper job thumbup

This engine had done 60k miles when it went in & has been running 1.5-1.8 bar of boost & 450bhp plus for 2 years without much bother so I can't complain & up until now, it has never been apart!

Remarkably it was still starting & running really sweetly, you'd never have known anything was wrong unless you looked at the breathers!







Interestingly they'd only melted on the inlet side not the exhaust side, no idea why. It's new engine time (I was changing it anyway)



bertelli_1

2,391 posts

233 months

Sunday 22nd February 2009
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Are the pistons thinner around the valves on the inlet side? That could explain the detonation there.

Anyway - good effort!

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

283 months

Sunday 22nd February 2009
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It's detonation damage and those weak thin edges take a pounding. You'll probably find termite holes in the top ring land and vertical scratches above the top ring.

ETA, why does the piston crown look really lumpy? Is it a truly awful casting? Or is it an oil and carbon mix?

Edited by Boosted LS1 on Sunday 22 February 23:40

Vixpy1

42,697 posts

287 months

Sunday 22nd February 2009
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You've proper fecked that chap.

You'll be wanting a decent ECU with knock control then.

Check my profile Dec laugh

GavinPearson

5,715 posts

274 months

Monday 23rd February 2009
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You have a detonation problem, as you say you had a fuel pump problem I'd recommend that you install a fuel pressure switch up by the fuel rail & have it turn off the engine if you have problems. I would also check the water pump to make sure it can send enough coolant to the heads. An overbore, new pistons & a new head gasket will fix the engine.

That is the unsophisticated yet cheap solution, there is certainly a lot more you could do as others suggest, but that will depend on whether or not you can afford it.

cptsideways

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13,829 posts

275 months

Monday 23rd February 2009
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I'm putting a whole new lump in, its cheaper than a set of gaskets! The joy of 1JZ powers biggrin The engine is being donated to another lad who's going to re-work it & fit it into an E30 thumbup

Found the fuel pump wiring issue, a stupidly simple fault

GavinPearson

5,715 posts

274 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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cptsideways said:
I'm putting a whole new lump in, its cheaper than a set of gaskets! The joy of 1JZ powers biggrin The engine is being donated to another lad who's going to re-work it & fit it into an E30 thumbup

Found the fuel pump wiring issue, a stupidly simple fault
That's all very well, but I'd still add a low fuel pressure switch that helps avoid engine failure.

cptsideways

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13,829 posts

275 months

Tuesday 24th February 2009
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GavinPearson said:
cptsideways said:
I'm putting a whole new lump in, its cheaper than a set of gaskets! The joy of 1JZ powers biggrin The engine is being donated to another lad who's going to re-work it & fit it into an E30 thumbup

Found the fuel pump wiring issue, a stupidly simple fault
That's all very well, but I'd still add a low fuel pressure switch that helps avoid engine failure.
Thats easier said than done! as the pressure will fluctuate with boost on & off throttle etc via the regulator. I have a simpler system set up where the boost controller power is fed from the same fuel pump power source. However that still gives me about 0.7 bar on the wastegate actuator without the boost controller.

If anyone can think of a good way to do it I'm all ears

chuntington101

5,733 posts

259 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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mechanical fuel pump!.......

i'll get my coat! lol

Chris.

Steve_D

13,801 posts

281 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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cptsideways said:
GavinPearson said:
cptsideways said:
I'm putting a whole new lump in, its cheaper than a set of gaskets! The joy of 1JZ powers biggrin The engine is being donated to another lad who's going to re-work it & fit it into an E30 thumbup

Found the fuel pump wiring issue, a stupidly simple fault
That's all very well, but I'd still add a low fuel pressure switch that helps avoid engine failure.
Thats easier said than done! as the pressure will fluctuate with boost on & off throttle etc via the regulator. I have a simpler system set up where the boost controller power is fed from the same fuel pump power source. However that still gives me about 0.7 bar on the wastegate actuator without the boost controller.

If anyone can think of a good way to do it I'm all ears
It will be on boost that you did the damage so a pressure switch, set for the minimum fuel pressure required to support boost, wired into the boost control power feed.

Steve

Pentoman

4,834 posts

286 months

Wednesday 25th February 2009
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Did it not show a warning/lambda light due to the leanness?

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

278 months

Thursday 26th February 2009
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Pentoman said:
Did it not show a warning/lambda light due to the leanness?
Don't know of any cars with stock ECU that would have flagged a warning in time to save the pistons. Lean mixtures can melt pistons in a turbo engine surprisingly quickly.

cptsideways

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13,829 posts

275 months

Thursday 26th February 2009
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I have a wideband lambda system & 2 exhaust gas temps pre & post turbo, however it can take literally seconds to do this damage.


Looking out of the side windows where your going is not condusive to watching the gauges biglaugh

chuntington101

5,733 posts

259 months

Friday 27th February 2009
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cptsideays, i know my above coment might sound daft, and it was a little, but there are good reasons to look into these belt driven pumps.

first of all, you can run about 100+psi baseline presure! and there is plenty of room left in these pump for even higher presures if you boost ref the regulator. as the pumps flow grates are directly linked to the engine speed your pumps are not working at 100% effort from the moment you turn the ignition key. you do however require MASSIVE fuel regulators to keep the presure down at lower engine speeds. and if you loose a belt its pretty serious. dont know if you could toast an engine from it....

still might be worth looking at if you are having problems with electronic pumps.

Chris.

stevieturbo

17,959 posts

270 months

Friday 27th February 2009
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Electric pumps are reliable.

If teh cars wiring isnt up to scratch, repair it. You cant blame the pump.