Jackie Stewart - what should he do?

[motormania]

This is going to split everyone down the middle I think. I've always like the guy, great racer, great for those swiping attacks of the spanker and the midget, but now I feel unsure about the situation he's in...

With RBS now being partly owned by us tax payers, and with 30,000 jobs on the verge of being axed, should Sir Jackie still be earning £4million as a figurehead for the brand?

Difficult one and not sure where I sit if I'm honest...

On the one hand I think that's my taxes - stop paying him, then I also understand about marketing and branding and he brings a lot to the table for them globally so you could say he's protecting our money...

I don't know - could he survive without the £4million? Could he do the same job for half a million?

Will be interesting to read the comments...

[FourWheelDrift]

Well he doesn't get £4million a year, that is what he has believed to have earned from RBS over the long number of years he has been involved. It doesn't mention if it's deal based commission or appearance fees. Either way he is a draw for events and talks and has probably generated more interest and investment in RBS than any of their much more highly paid employees.

[davidd]

Even if they did not pay him he would still turn up. He does not need the money (RBS is not his only deal, he has been on Rolex books for years).

D

[skinny]

quit RBS and become FIA president in its motor sport functions.

[motormania]

skinny said:

quit RBS and become FIA president in its motor sport functions.

I didn't want to put the idea into anyones head, but that is exactly what he should do.

What better figure head at the helm of the FIA than a globallay recognised 3 times world champion from the pinnacle of motorsport.

What did the spank ever do for F1?

Edited by motormania on Tuesday 24th February 14:24

[FourWheelDrift]

motormania said:

What did the spank ever do for F1?

As a competitor he formed March Engineering, the F1 team with Alan Rees, Graham Coaker and Robin Herd. 3 race wins.

But nothing for F1.

[stifler]

motormania said:

skinny said:

quit RBS and become FIA president in its motor sport functions.

I didn't want to put the idea into anyones head, but that is exactly what he should do.

What better figure head at the helm of the FIA than a globallay recognised 3 times world champion from the pinnacle of motorsport.

What did the spank ever do for F1?

Edited by motormania on Tuesday 24th February 14:24

Exactly. Although I don't think that he would do it somehow.

[kevin ritson]

FourWheelDrift said:

motormania said:

What did the spank ever do for F1?

As a competitor he formed March Engineering, the F1 team with Alan Rees, Graham Coaker and Robin Herd. 3 race wins.

But nothing for F1.

That's a bit unfair - with Bernie he helped create the Concorde agreement, which meant F1 could expand. Intially he did a good job as FIA president, in particular the handing of the aftermath of Senna's death. Since then, however, he appears to have become Jean-Marie Balestre.

[Ramthorne]

kevin ritson said:

Since then, however, he appears to have become Jean-Marie Balestre.

[davidd]

stifler said:

motormania said:

skinny said:

quit RBS and become FIA president in its motor sport functions.

I didn't want to put the idea into anyones head, but that is exactly what he should do.

What better figure head at the helm of the FIA than a globallay recognised 3 times world champion from the pinnacle of motorsport.

What did the spank ever do for F1?

Edited by motormania on Tuesday 24th February 14:24

Exactly. Although I don't think that he would do it somehow.

I don't think he could do it, sorry...

[Muzzer]

JYS has a contract. That contract should be honoured and if it can't be, RBS should make an offer to buy him out of it.

People can't expect JYS to take a pay cut because his contract is £4m. That's RBS's fault for making it so large.

Contracts are there to be re-negotiated sometimes and if I were RBS I'd have a go but JYS should be under no pressure to accept the terms. It's a legal agreement FFS.

[Ramthorne]

I'm sure he's worth the money. If the RBS want to speak to someone, JYS can make that happen. If JYS phones you up, you're going to give him the time of day, whoever you are (with the possible exception of the President of the FIA). He has credibility with Royal families, Politicians and businessmen, almost unique I would say.

[mattikake]

JYS should become one of the permanent professional stewards. It's the best thing he could do for F1 atm. It could also be a backdoor into taking over the FIA...

[anonymous-user]

skinny said:

quit RBS and become FIA president in its motor sport functions.

You've got to respect his past driving achievements and later role as a company ambassador. But I'm not at all convinced there is much substance beyond that. I very much doubt he would have the ability to take the sport forward.

[flemke]

kevin ritson said:

FourWheelDrift said:

motormania said:

What did the spank ever do for F1?

As a competitor he formed March Engineering, the F1 team with Alan Rees, Graham Coaker and Robin Herd. 3 race wins.

But nothing for F1.

That's a bit unfair - with Bernie he helped create the Concorde agreement, which meant F1 could expand. Intially he did a good job as FIA president, in particular the handing of the aftermath of Senna's death. Since then, however, he appears to have become Jean-Marie Balestre.

March built many chassis, but one is not sure how much Mosley actually contributed to any of that, apart from screwing Chris Amon out of £75,000, in addition to legging over a friend of mine who was a leading driver of the time.

As for Mosley's efforts post-Imola, I could not say how much effort Mosley put in, or how effective it was.
In any case, there does seem to be a broad presumption that he did whatever he did at the time in order to "save the sport". It seems to be at least as likely that his primary motivations would have been to sustain the prestige and influence of his own position, and of course to protect Bernie's investment, which was at risk of being wiped out.

[456lbft]

flemke said:

kevin ritson said:

FourWheelDrift said:

motormania said:

What did the spank ever do for F1?

As a competitor he formed March Engineering, the F1 team with Alan Rees, Graham Coaker and Robin Herd. 3 race wins.

But nothing for F1.

That's a bit unfair - with Bernie he helped create the Concorde agreement, which meant F1 could expand. Intially he did a good job as FIA president, in particular the handing of the aftermath of Senna's death. Since then, however, he appears to have become Jean-Marie Balestre.

March built many chassis, but one is not sure how much Mosley actually contributed to any of that, apart from screwing Chris Amon out of £75,000, in addition to legging over a friend of mine who was a leading driver of the time.

As for Mosley's efforts post-Imola, I could not say how much effort Mosley put in, or how effective it was.
In any case, there does seem to be a broad presumption that he did whatever he did at the time in order to "save the sport". It seems to be at least as likely that his primary motivations would have been to sustain the prestige and influence of his own position, and of course to protect Bernie's investment, which was at risk of being wiped out.

And by so doing , he has enabled a great number of British men (including JYS) to continue to become very rich. Had the President of the FIA been French or Italian, would that still have happened? Like them or not the Bernie and Max show has been very good for this country and a lot of people who work in it.

[mike360]

Must Jackie wear that RBS gear wherever he goes in public? or only motorsport events

[flemke]

456lbft said:

flemke said:

kevin ritson said:

FourWheelDrift said:

motormania said:

What did the spank ever do for F1?

As a competitor he formed March Engineering, the F1 team with Alan Rees, Graham Coaker and Robin Herd. 3 race wins.

But nothing for F1.

That's a bit unfair - with Bernie he helped create the Concorde agreement, which meant F1 could expand. Intially he did a good job as FIA president, in particular the handing of the aftermath of Senna's death. Since then, however, he appears to have become Jean-Marie Balestre.

March built many chassis, but one is not sure how much Mosley actually contributed to any of that, apart from screwing Chris Amon out of £75,000, in addition to legging over a friend of mine who was a leading driver of the time.

As for Mosley's efforts post-Imola, I could not say how much effort Mosley put in, or how effective it was.
In any case, there does seem to be a broad presumption that he did whatever he did at the time in order to "save the sport". It seems to be at least as likely that his primary motivations would have been to sustain the prestige and influence of his own position, and of course to protect Bernie's investment, which was at risk of being wiped out.

And by so doing , he has enabled a great number of British men (including JYS) to continue to become very rich. Had the President of the FIA been French or Italian, would that still have happened? Like them or not the Bernie and Max show has been very good for this country and a lot of people who work in it.

It's not quite clear what you're saying.
The subject was JYS, and whether he would be better as FIA President than Mosley has been.
Are you saying that, because Mosley worked to keep F1 ongoing as a massively OTT form of commercialised entertainment in order to keep his own job and to look after his buddy Bernie's investment, and that had the side effect of contributing to motor sport employment in Britain, one should be grateful to him for his efforts? I suppose that's a point of view.
We have seen, since 1994, how deeply concerned Mosley has been for the state of motor sport in Britain:
- There is no public evidence that, for a decade, he so much as lifted a finger to keep the GP in Britain.
- His campaign to force costs down in order to discourage the major carmakers from backing F1 teams had the purpose of reducing motor sport employment in Britain.
- One doubts that his having arranged for $100 million to be usurped from McLaren benefitted British motor sport employment a great deal either. Likewise his stealing of the 2007 WCC from McLaren, and his rulings that specifically harmed Renault: all of which had the objective of benefitting Ferrari, which IINM is not a British team.
I suppose that he's contributed to the British economy to the extent of his fitting out a special purpose basement on the Chelsea Embankment, hiring the occasional lady to join him for a cup of tea, and providing substantial custom to the British Bar, but those would not have a lot to do with British motor sport.
As for whether a French or Italian FIA president would have done less to benefit British motor sport, of course we have no way of knowing. As we speculate on that question, however, we must also speculate on whether a Frenchman or Italian would have brought the FIA into disrepute, both in the embarrassingly obvious ways, and also by so abusing its position that the EU Competition Commissioner had to step in and formally sanction the FIA.

[Militant Worker]

mike360 said:

Must Jackie wear that RBS gear wherever he goes in public? or only motorsport events

it's either the RBS gear, or a wee jimmy hat

[Tony 1234]

flemke said:

[ not sure how much Mosley actually contributed to any of that, apart from screwing Chris Amon out of £75,000, in addition to legging over a friend of mine who was a leading driver of the time.

Hope Spanky's Advocate is not reading this thread flemke

Regards