Bus Beheading Suspect Ruled a Mentalist - No $hit

[Jimbeaux]

Seriously, what are PH's opinions of this. I understand if he is ill he needs help, but the victim is still dead.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/03/05/canad...

[Conceited]

It's not like he's getting off 'scot free'. I can't imagine those mental hospitals are much fun.

To what extent could it be argued that all people that commit the most heinous crimes are mentally ill?

[Tunku]

Jimbeaux said:

Seriously, what are PH's opinions of this. I understand if he is ill he needs help, but the victim is still dead.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/03/05/canad...

Personally, in cases like this, I think it would be far kinder to drive him to an abbatoir, administer the steel bolt, wash the floor and use the carcase for fertiliser.

[Jimbeaux]

Tunku said:

Jimbeaux said:

Seriously, what are PH's opinions of this. I understand if he is ill he needs help, but the victim is still dead.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/03/05/canad...

Personally, in cases like this, I think it would be far kinder to drive him to an abbatoir, administer the steel bolt, wash the floor and use the carcase for fertiliser.

No really, tell us how you truely feel.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 6th March 01:16

[daninsidious]

Suspect decision to say the least.

Stated in the report that:

"This was justice because the correct conclusion was reached," prosecutor Joyce Dalmyn said, according to CBC. "Mr. Li is a schizophrenic. Mr. Li had a severe mental disease. Mr. Li, in my opinion and in the opinion of the psychiatrists, had no idea what he was doing was wrong."

But when the police had surrounded the coach in the 'hours long stand off' he was captured trying to escape via a window he'd broke...a big sign of guilt? If he had thought that he had done nothing wrong why not just walk out?

Got away with murder the victim's family think...they may just be right

[Jimbeaux]

Conceited said:

It's not like he's getting off 'scot free'. I can't imagine those mental hospitals are much fun.

To what extent could it be argued that all people that commit the most heinous crimes are mentally ill?

Good point, were does one draw the line?

[sawman]

This was always going to happen, we can only hope that he is never deemed safe enough to let out! but how likely is that to happen, time and again you hear of folks with severe mental illness re offending after a period of lucency when taking medicine under hospital supervision, only to be released and stop taking their meds. Shortly after which they fall out of reality again and do something else.

[moleamol]

Remove it from the gene pool, it's not quite human. We'd happily kill a Rottweiler.

[Noisy]

It's a tricky situation, one of my neighbours is mentally ill and this time last year beat the crap out of the guy next door for parking in his parking space ( the nutty guy doesn't own a car and the spaces aren't allocated ) now when he is well he's a perfectly nice guy, but recently got carted off again as he's gone nuts again, fortunately this time he was locked up before hurting anyone.

Now he doesn't know what he is doing is wrong and wasn't charged with the assault because he was mentally unfit, surely if someone like this commits murder though they can't be trusted not to do it again and should be locked up 24/7?

[Jimbeaux]

Noisy said:

It's a tricky situation, one of my neighbours is mentally ill and this time last year beat the crap out of the guy next door for parking in his parking space ( the nutty guy doesn't own a car and the spaces aren't allocated ) now when he is well he's a perfectly nice guy, but recently got carted off again as he's gone nuts again, fortunately this time he was locked up before hurting anyone.

Now he doesn't know what he is doing is wrong and wasn't charged with the assault because he was mentally unfit, surely if someone like this commits murder though they can't be trusted not to do it again and should be locked up 24/7?

Agreed. Unfortuneately, or not, we are subject to varying degrees of legal interpretation depending on different states' laws and judges' values.

[ZR1cliff]

Article said
"Mr. Li, in my opinion and in the opinion of the psychiatrists, had no idea what he was doing was wrong."

OK let's get this right, at a guess cutting a persons head off can't be the easiest physical thing to do and you've got to be one totally pissed off person to even want to do this. Other than that it's got to be the wrongest thing in the world to do.

Mr Li was well enough to buy a ticket and board a bus to his destination and from there on something went down hill. From what I read it was his victims music from the walkman that pissed him off.

So one step at a time - Mr Li initially attacked his victim for the noise - he must have known what he was doing was wrong at that point or did he just get angry and not think of the circumstances ?

Most crims commit crimes ignoring the circumstances.

Mr Li then lost total control, was this because he knew he had done wrong and felt their was no way back, lacked control, and so pushed the limits to their ultimate conclusion ?

Moving on to the case of Karl Bishop stabbing to death Rob knox. When you read the report of what happened and how bishop was stabbing and slashing at will it's obvious Bishop got things well out of context, but was this because he was mentally ill or was it sheer inadequacy to control his anger/rage ?

Karl Bishop found Guilty.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7912176.stm

At what point is a person not responsible for their actions ?

[Coq au Vin]

Nutcase or not, the outcome should (and probably will) be the same - rest of life in a secure institution. The public still need to be protected from him, regardless of the motivation behind his actions.

[Dick_Phallus]

Controversial view here but I'd let him out just to see if he did it again. It'd be an interesting experiment.

Edited by Dick_Phallus on Friday 6th March 03:51

[Don]

Tunku said:

Jimbeaux said:

Seriously, what are PH's opinions of this. I understand if he is ill he needs help, but the victim is still dead.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/03/05/canad...

Personally, in cases like this, I think it would be far kinder to drive him to an abbatoir, administer the steel bolt, wash the floor and use the carcase for fertiliser.

I have to say in this case? Without knowing the details of his mental condition? I STILL think you're right.

It's like a rabid dog. Kindest thing is to put it down.

[mrmaggit]

Don said:

Tunku said:

Jimbeaux said:

Seriously, what are PH's opinions of this. I understand if he is ill he needs help, but the victim is still dead.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/03/05/canad...

Personally, in cases like this, I think it would be far kinder to drive him to an abbatoir, administer the steel bolt, wash the floor and use the carcase for fertiliser.

I have to say in this case? Without knowing the details of his mental condition? I STILL think you're right.

It's like a rabid dog. Kindest thing is to put it down.

I agree. No chance of a permanent solution to his problem, and he has killed, no guarantee he won't kill again wherever he is kept.

As has been said, we destroy dogs that kill, why waste money on this specimen?

[Tom55]

Mr Li was well enough to buy a ticket and board a bus to his destination and from there on something went down hill. From what I read it was his victims music from the walkman that pissed him off.


[/quote]

now who hasnt been annoyed by someone elses loud music being played through a walkman/mp3 player beofre now, there you are trying to relax on a long bus journey and all you can hear is tzzzssssss booom, tssssssssssss, emanating from someones ears..... perhaps all he was trying to do was to cut the cord connecting the ear phones to the walkman and end the noise, and just took the shortest way from one earphone to the other?

Oh I am so going to get flamed....

Edited by Tom55 on Friday 6th March 07:47

[crofty1984]

Jimbeaux said:

Conceited said:

It's not like he's getting off 'scot free'. I can't imagine those mental hospitals are much fun.

To what extent could it be argued that all people that commit the most heinous crimes are mentally ill?

Good point, were does one draw the line?

I worry about that. Though not often. The defendant has been ruled as mentally ill, because he thought it was a good idea to glass someone.

[blindswelledrat]

daninsidious said:

Suspect decision to say the least.

Stated in the report that:

"This was justice because the correct conclusion was reached," prosecutor Joyce Dalmyn said, according to CBC. "Mr. Li is a schizophrenic. Mr. Li had a severe mental disease. Mr. Li, in my opinion and in the opinion of the psychiatrists, had no idea what he was doing was wrong."

But when the police had surrounded the coach in the 'hours long stand off' he was captured trying to escape via a window he'd broke...a big sign of guilt? If he had thought that he had done nothing wrong why not just walk out?

Got away with murder the victim's family think...they may just be right

DId you realise that it was the prosecution that you quoted?
I am prepared to accept that if they were openly admitting that he was mental, tied in with the fact that he commited an irrelevant beheading, that the odd are in favour of him being mental.

Still, don't let the facts spoil your argument. He got scared of all the police so he couldn't possibly be mad. Mad people are never scared of anything are they?

[Cara Van Man]

Jimbeaux said:

Seriously, what are PH's opinions of this. I understand if he is ill he needs help, but the victim is still dead.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/03/05/canad...

Holy Jihad Batman....that's awful.

[blindswelledrat]

ZR1cliff said:

At what point is a person not responsible for their actions ?

I believe the test is whether they know and understand the consequences of thier actions.
On the very limited facts I have heard about those two cases I can understand why the outcome was different.
I suspect if you read both cases in detail it would be obvious.