Big shed in the garden... some advice pleas!

Big shed in the garden... some advice pleas!

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buzzer

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3,543 posts

241 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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Looking for some advice for my mate… He has recently put up a large shed at the bottom of his garden… it’s about the size of a large single garage. It’s right at the bottom of the garden, well away from any of the houses and does not contravene any planning regulations.

Some of the neighbours have been grumbling abut the size of the shed and the fact that its “an eyesore”

A week ago he had a letter drop through the door from the local council saying someone had complained that the shed was going to be used for business use. Its not. It’s purely for his hobby which is building sailing dinghy’s.

He has not responded yet to the letter, any advice where to go from here?

DocJock

8,361 posts

241 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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Errr, reply saying it is not for business use? biggrin

FarleyRusk

1,036 posts

212 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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Or knock it down and build something that isn't such an eyesore?
Good neighbours are worth their weight in gold, so pissing them off unnecessarily is neither big nor clever.

Oldandslow

2,405 posts

207 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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These don't really sound like good neighbours. Depends on your interpretation of reasonable and eyesore. Hard to judge without any pics. Is the shed new and purpose built or cobbled together from old doors and rusty tin?

sleep envy

62,260 posts

250 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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buzzer said:
He has not responded yet to the letter, any advice where to go from here?
tell him to check with his local planning office to see if he needs planning permission based on the footprint and volume

heve been there, done that with a neighbour - he had to take his garage down and it cost him

dealmaker

2,215 posts

255 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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Ceck out the rules for "permitted development".

From memory - as long as it's lower than 3m at the edges and 4m at the eaves - it takes up no more than 30% of his garden and is more than a metre from the boundary then there's feck all they can do about it ...as long as they don't prove he's running a bsuiness from there (which sounds like he isnt?)

I think he should be OK as long as he hasnt contravened any of these parameters.

robinhood21

30,788 posts

233 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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Are you sure that he isn't building one-off unsupported staircases in the shed? wink

otolith

56,345 posts

205 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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Our neighbour did something similar - we call it the granny flat.



I suppose I would rather that it wasn't there, but it's really no business of mine what he does with his property. On the other hand, we've got quite a long garden, so it's not sat right next to my house, and it's on the North side so it's not really shading anything. I also covet his shed. Slightly. But not enough to replace my fruit trees with one.

Living with neighbours - particularly in a semi - is about give and take. I don't moan about his dog barking or his baby crying or his huge shed, he doesn't moan about our moggies or my wife playing her sax. I think too many people are more concerned about their "rights" to complain about things and forget that tolerance is what lets everyone get on with their own thing.

sleep envy

62,260 posts

250 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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otolith said:
I also covet his shed
careful, that's worse than coveting his wife

otolith

56,345 posts

205 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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sleep envy said:
otolith said:
I also covet his shed
careful, that's worse than coveting his wife
But not as bad as coveting his ass.

Busamav

2,954 posts

209 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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dealmaker said:
Ceck out the rules for "permitted development".

From memory - as long as it's lower than 3m at the edges and 4m at the eaves - it takes up no more than 30% of his garden and is more than a metre from the boundary then there's feck all they can do about it ...as long as they don't prove he's running a bsuiness from there (which sounds like he isnt?)

I think he should be OK as long as he hasnt contravened any of these parameters.
reboot your memory biggrin

madala

5,063 posts

199 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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.....if it's not for business....and there was no planning permission needed....the neighbours can go fly....

crmcatee

5,700 posts

228 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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otolith said:
Our neighbour did something similar - we call it the granny flat.

Is it me or does it look like the roof is already sagging in the middle. Looks to be dodgy construction anyway.

otolith

56,345 posts

205 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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crmcatee said:
otolith said:
Our neighbour did something similar - we call it the granny flat.

Is it me or does it look like the roof is already sagging in the middle. Looks to be dodgy construction anyway.
Yes - I think he's in the process of trying to do something about that, hence the ladder. Personally, I think the tiled roof is just too bloody heavy for it.

crmcatee

5,700 posts

228 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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his trusses on the end don't help due to the badly done join - not much load being spread down between them smile

triggersbroom

2,377 posts

205 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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otolith said:
Our neighbour did something similar - we call it the granny flat.

Why did he tile a roof designed for lightweight felt? rofl


ETA - looks like he's moved the fence over too punch

Edited by triggersbroom on Saturday 7th March 11:07

dealmaker

2,215 posts

255 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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Busamav said:
dealmaker said:
Ceck out the rules for "permitted development".

From memory - as long as it's lower than 3m at the edges and 4m at the eaves - it takes up no more than 30% of his garden and is more than a metre from the boundary then there's feck all they can do about it ...as long as they don't prove he's running a bsuiness from there (which sounds like he isnt?)

I think he should be OK as long as he hasnt contravened any of these parameters.
reboot your memory biggrin
Yeah!

seems I was nearly right - he can build on up to 50% of his garden (net curtailage not including hosue) - but it looks like he needs to be at least 5 metres from his house and any adjacent road and 3 metres from a boundary?

Outbuildings
While the right to build outbuildings is restricted in Conservation areas and AONB it is not restricted in green belt areas and offers real potential to make otherwise very restricted land much more useful. The floor space should not cover more than half the garden area or exceed four metres in height with a pitched roof, or three metres with a flat roof. The uses that they can be put to are very wide and limited only in the same way as the use of the house itself. This is provided that the house and its garden and outbuildings are only occupied as one residence.

Outbuildings are often best considered as parts of the house, although detached and located in the garden. From use as a home office, additional lounge, work­shop etc. Provided outbuildings are further than five metres from the house, not situated between the house and any road and do not cover more than 50 per cent of the garden there is no limit in the area of floor space created.



Edited by dealmaker on Saturday 7th March 11:15

sleep envy

62,260 posts

250 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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otolith said:
crmcatee said:
otolith said:
Our neighbour did something similar - we call it the granny flat.

Is it me or does it look like the roof is already sagging in the middle. Looks to be dodgy construction anyway.
Yes - I think he's in the process of trying to do something about that, hence the ladder. Personally, I think the tiled roof is just too bloody heavy for it.
get him to stand on the ridge to work out what's wrong with it

Nolar Dog

8,786 posts

196 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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Now that shed (pictured) would have to go if it was next door to me.

It's a fking disgrace.

MK4 Slowride

10,028 posts

209 months

Saturday 7th March 2009
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otolith said:
Our neighbour did something similar - we call it the granny flat.

That is truly shocking build quality. Doesn't look very safe to me, one day it'll fold in on itself.


ETA: He's made it look proper council.

Edited by MK4 Slowride on Saturday 7th March 11:15