FIVE NIPS on the doormat! Help!

[fivenips]

HELP! I opened the post recently to find FIVE NIPS waiting for me - all from the same week, on the same stretch of dual carriageway, where I consistently had driven around 8-15 MPH over the speed limit. I really can't afford a ban, so I sent them off unsigned. The Police/Central Ticket Office has returned the originals, with a polite request for me to sign. The 28 days are up. What should I do now? Does anyone out there really understand the implications of recent judgements and how the system works?

[danhay]

Naughty Boy

You might want to check the date on the NIP is 14 or less days after the date of the offence?

Failing that, you might ask for a volume discount?

Sorry to make light of your situation, if you do a search of this Forum for the words "Unsigned NIP" you will find numerous posts. It all seems to be a bit of a muddle at the moment.

[docevi1]

I heard that doesn't work anymore.

It's a shame you got caught out 5 times, but you admit to breaking the limit all the time...

I'd be inclined to take it to court and try to get a large fine rather than a ban...

[Boosted LS1]

I thought I put a reply on this thread? What happened to it?

[justme]

You've sent all 5 NIPs back unsigned, but were they completed?
If you put your own name there as the driver, don't you think you've incriminated yourself?

....just a *little*?

[Chrisgr31]

To get five in a week on the same stretch of road seems excessive. I suggest opening your eyes, at least most people here have spotted the van whens its done them, even if not in time!

When you spend a month or two cycling you'll be going slower and more able to spot the scamera sites!

[318ti]

Chrisgr31 said:

To get five in a week on the same stretch of road seems excessive. I suggest opening your eyes, at least most people here have spotted the van whens its done them, even if not in time! When you spend a month or two cycling you'll be going slower and more able to spot the scamera sites!

>> Edited by 318ti on Saturday 8th November 18:31

[outlaw]

318ti said:

Chrisgr31 said: To get five in a week on the same stretch of road seems excessive. I suggest opening your eyes, at least most people here have spotted the van whens its done them, even if not in time! When you spend a month or two cycling you'll be going slower and more able to spot the scamera sites! >> Edited by 318ti on Saturday 8th November 18:31

unless they were hiding in the bushes on a resently changed limet.

[Deadly Dog]

Fivenips,

I would strongly suggest you sign up to the excellent Pepipoo FightBack Forum and/or the Section 172 Yahoo Group and post your query there. Mika knows his subject and should advise accordingly. He may suggest you write a PACE letter, one for each NIP I guess.

Remember, these legalised highway robbers haven't proved anything with regards to any offence. They've made allegations and are expecting you to "confess" to your "crimes" and cough up rather than fight it out.

In the meantine you may find this document (which is an official US govt. statement on speed limits) a breath of fresh air. It is a world away from the lies and crap we are fed this side of the pond.

318ti said:

Yeah, funny as a heart attack.

>> Edited by Deadly Dog on Saturday 8th November 21:41

[jeffreyarcher]

fivenips said:

I opened the post recently to find FIVE NIPS waiting for me - all from the same week, on the same stretch of dual carriageway,

fivenips,
I think that you really must check out the signs in this case.
In particular
Speed limit signs terminal (start) must be in pairs (although see the exception for a side road).
Repeater signs must be provided at "regular intervals", unless the limit is 30MPH and the road is lit, in which case, they must not be provided.
If the road is a trunk or principal road and either of the limit terminal signs is within 50m of a street lamp (not neccessarily on that road), both signs must be lit.
(Most, although not all, 'A' roads are trunk or principal roads).
If either of the signs is lit, both must be lit, whether or not they require to be lit, as above.
Dud bulbs resulting in non illumination may constitute a "failure to maintain".
AIUI, it doesn't matter if you were caught during the day, the requirement for compliance is absolute; i.e. there is no requirement to show that the non-compliance misled the driver.
Check the back of the signs for labels and / or writing.
If there is any, check that it complies with direction 42(1)(b) of the The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 (about 7/8ths the way down, not paragraph 42 which is about signs on tramcars).
In particular, there is no provision for a label containing such information to be of a different colour to the back of the sign (e.g. white or silver).

>> Edited by jeffreyarcher on Sunday 9th November 00:11

[streaky]

jeffreyarcher said:

... fivenips, I think that you really must check out the signs in this case. In particular Speed limit signs terminal (start) must be in pairs (although see the exception for a side road). Repeater signs must be provided at "regular intervals", unless the limit is 30MPH and the road is lit, in which case, they must not be provided. ...

But the lighting must be at a certain minimum interval (and presumably of a certain minimum standard) throughout the 30 limit, unless there are repeater signs.

Streaky

PS - Did you mean, "they must not be provided", or, "they need not be provided"? If the former, does their provision invalidate the limit if the lighting falls within the minimum standard? If so, is the limit then NSL? - S