RE: Scrappage Incentive Considered
RE: Scrappage Incentive Considered
Friday 13th March 2009

Scrappage Incentive Considered

Plans could increase new car sales, but at what cost?



Scrappage incentives designed to encourage drivers to switch to greener cars are reportedly coming to the UK, even though the government has yet to make an official announcement.

Business secretary Peter Mandelson has so far only confirmed his department is looking into a scheme like the one successfully introduced in Germany, where consumers are being offered €2500 grants to trade-in for scrap any car that is over nine years old. The result is that new car sales surged by 21% in Germany last month and the UK’s Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders has been urging the government to quickly follow Germany’s lead. While there’s still no sign of an official announcement, Ford has now said it is definitely expecting a UK scheme to be implemented and is adjusting its budget predictions accordingly.

The SMMT says the government’s slow response is actually costing sales as customers wait to see if grants will become available as the industry clearly expects.

Meanwhile Mandy has become embroiled in an embarrassing bout of handbag-swinging with the Bank of England. He told the BBC the bank has responded too slowly to auto industry requests for support with new car financing. The bank responded with ‘puzzlement’, suggesting that providing sector-specific support was ‘clearly and properly a matter for government’.

The Tories have leapt on the spat, describing it as ‘worrying sign of division’ at a time when a united front is required.

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DaveL485

Original Poster:

2,760 posts

219 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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Yet more people buying cars on credit that they cant really afford. Fantastic.

I'll stick with my P-reg van thanks.

louismchuge

1,644 posts

206 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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The 'green' arguement of this scheme is really annoying. In terms of keeping the motor industry ticking over I think it's a winner

V88Dicky

7,362 posts

205 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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Never liked green cars myself, always thought it was an unlucky colour. vomit

spoonoff

361 posts

220 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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How can encouraging people to scrap perfectly good cars possibly be good for the environment?

sbrind4734

39 posts

242 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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It's not really a 'green' thing getting a new car, the amount of pollution it creates to producing one is more than what your car produces in a life time plus I don't thing 2500 euros is enough incentive to give up my TVR!

Gridl0k

1,058 posts

205 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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Yet another bullst non-science based solution.

My 14mpg 20-year-old Golf is far, far greener than someone who's bought a new car every 3-5 years.

Ravell

1,181 posts

234 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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In forsee a lot of future classics getting needlessly scrapped by unknowing owners after the €2500 grant. Stupid idea IMO, for that and a number of other reasons.

gumball3K

65 posts

220 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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spoonoff I agree with your comment.

"How can encouraging people to scrap perfectly good cars possibly be good for the environment?"

Imagine giving away your cherished Mercedes Pagoda?


mollytherocker

14,396 posts

231 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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Ravell said:
In forsee a lot of future classics getting needlessly scrapped by unknowing owners after the €2500 grant. Stupid idea IMO, for that and a number of other reasons.
This is what saddens me the most.

MTR

slikrs

125 posts

210 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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I thought it was clear that the energy involved in building a new car outweighed the capacity for an old car to pollute over and above that which would be created by a new car replacing it.

I hope this does not come into force as it will mean that many of our future classics will have their lives terminated unnecessarily and very much prematurely when their prices dip below the payment level.

I just hope that someone has the right to resurrect these icons of motoring though I suspect the government will blanket the law so they have to be dismantled regardless of their condition.

This could potentially be a morally wrong policy of motoring genocide to prop up our ailing industry. If we’re moving in this direction then how long before modifications and repairs are restricted to force us to further prop up the industry?

Mr Whippy

32,156 posts

263 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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So they get credit to buy a new car, and then pay more taxes to pay for the subsidiy for their car.

Fantastic!

Skiing

10 posts

203 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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No way am scrapping my 20yr old Golf gti for some modern shapeless, heavy, ugly, souless, overly complex, slow bubble car.

NotNormal

2,402 posts

236 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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What's more frustrating is the vast majority of the country will believe this "green" tosh banghead

Edited by NotNormal on Friday 13th March 12:55

nickfrog

24,087 posts

239 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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Over 10 years / 150,000 km, some say the CO2 impact is 25% production / 75% running so on the assumption that CO2 emmissions on a new small and efficient car are maybe half what they are on your average scrapped car, there might be a genuine case for it IF it absorbs the current production over capacity (cars already produced and unsold).
Let's remember that the German incentive is currently limited to 600,000 for that VERY reason otherwise it would indeed be an open door to an absurd and counter productive situation.

It should cost the tax payer nothing as the sales generate VAT that otherwise would not have come in.

This is not additional credit by the way, it's a grant.

rsstman

1,918 posts

209 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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NotNormal said:
What's more frustrating is the vast majority of the country will believe this "green" tosh banghead

Edited by NotNormal on Friday 13th March 12:55
unfortunately the vast majority of this country are brain dead idiots.

threespires

4,428 posts

233 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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My lad was really excited by this news,

£2,500 for his old Metro.

That would mean a straight swap for a year old Cayenne / X5 / RR
[ "in blk wit dubz n tintz plz - i wanna luk a ttl r-sol"]

Then he read it was on new stuff only.


Gold

1,998 posts

227 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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Save the planet, buy a shed. hippy

russellwatson17

278 posts

210 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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So the car manufacturers get help from the government which will severly effect garages-

no new tyres needed for a while
no mots for 3 years
no repairs needed for a few years that wouldnt be covered over warranty.

cvegas

324 posts

225 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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This would cost us as taxpayers a fortune as most of the pounds disappear abroad. It has some merit as a booster of the economy in the US, Italy, France and Germany because people in these countries mostly buy cars made at home.

There is no viable Green argument either as making cars more financially accessible to people increases C02 both in terms of increased manufacturing and future usage.

CDP

8,017 posts

276 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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This is barmy as most of the new cars being bought would be foreign produced anyway and would just put the nation into further debt.

I heard the figure was more like 40% energy use in production but even so it doesn't take into account all the damage from mineral extraction and scrapping. Does anybody have the real figures?

As a car enthusiast who finds a government who has been trying to make it harder and harder to run old cars I'd rather see the tax on new cars re-introduced as we don't keep them long enough. Say £10 (or £20) for every gramme per km C02 and dump the road fund license. But not until this recession is a memory.

BTW how does a Golf only do 14mpg?