WRC drivers banned
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Why would GERMAN Armin Schwarz, based in MONTE CARLO, hold an ENGLISH licence? Which I assume he has seeing as they say he's been banned? I didn't think bans in foreign countries could be enforced on foreign licences.....if you get my drift?! 
>> Edited by centurion07 on Monday 10th November 14:52
>> Edited by centurion07 on Monday 10th November 14:52
I think it looks like the drivers on foreign plates and the organisers need new lawyers.
Since the police are unlikely to have been able to serve a NIP on a foreign keeper within the 14 days, I assume that they must have S172'd the organisers. The organisers are not a valid recipient for a NIP under RTOA 1988, Section 1. So all the organisers had to do was delay their S172 response until after 14 days from the offence and the accused were "not to be convicted". Unless, of course, the police
sent plods out to verbally ask the organisers the driver information.
I wonder when South Wales started sending their NIPs second class?
Since the police are unlikely to have been able to serve a NIP on a foreign keeper within the 14 days, I assume that they must have S172'd the organisers. The organisers are not a valid recipient for a NIP under RTOA 1988, Section 1. So all the organisers had to do was delay their S172 response until after 14 days from the offence and the accused were "not to be convicted". Unless, of course, the police
sent plods out to verbally ask the organisers the driver information.
I wonder when South Wales started sending their NIPs second class?
jeffreyarcher said:
Since the police are unlikely to have been able to serve a NIP on a foreign keeper within the 14 days, I assume that they must have S172'd the organisers.
Ah, but surely the cars are registered to the WRC teams, so the initial NIP would go to Subaru Rally UK or whatever. They then have to respond saying Mr Rally Driver was driving..........
The second NIP can take as long as it likes (well, sort of).
centurion07 said:
Why would GERMAN Armin Schwarz, based in MONTE CARLO, hold an ENGLISH licence? Which I assume he has seeing as they say he's been banned? I didn't think bans in foreign countries could be enforced on foreign licences.....if you get my drift?!
>> Edited by centurion07 on Monday 10th November 14:52
From what I understand, in "serious" (ha ha!) cases like this with foreign drivers, they create a skeleton licence in the DVLC and then slap a ban on that. Not sure how this would stop them driving in the U.K. again but there you go! I don't think they'll be back in the U.K. for 12 months (I wouldn't bother either!) so it won't affect them anyway. Load of shite as usual!
Amazing! Not content with targetting the fans, the scamera partnership deliberately find the one (two mile) section of road where the drivers test their cars and target that, too! Disgraceful! Some of the safest drivers in the UK in cars best equipped to avoid crashes, and they get banned +/or fined...
.........It's a ferkin' rally FFS 
The welsh Police have changed their tune a bit from the old days.
Years ago, when Timo Makinen, Roger Clark etc were competing, and the rally was a proper test, I remember being in the back of my dads Escort Twin Cam (he had one of the first 50 out of Boreham to do the Players No.6 National autocross championship as he knew a ex racer called Ian Alllen, father of the James Allen of GP commentating infamy) in a endless queue of cars wending their way thru the welsh lanes to spectate at about 2 in the morning. As we trundled along at about 40 ish, their was a blaze of lights from behind, then a blast of exhaust as Makkinen, Clark et al screamed past at max speed to make it to the next stage. They were completely on the wrong side of the road around blind bends, crests atc.
Mental really, but they didn't crash even though they were speeding.....
FFS Police, get real to the abilities of these superstars. Please don't give me any politically correct sh!te either, 'cos I was there and you weren't.
Years ago, when Timo Makinen, Roger Clark etc were competing, and the rally was a proper test, I remember being in the back of my dads Escort Twin Cam (he had one of the first 50 out of Boreham to do the Players No.6 National autocross championship as he knew a ex racer called Ian Alllen, father of the James Allen of GP commentating infamy) in a endless queue of cars wending their way thru the welsh lanes to spectate at about 2 in the morning. As we trundled along at about 40 ish, their was a blaze of lights from behind, then a blast of exhaust as Makkinen, Clark et al screamed past at max speed to make it to the next stage. They were completely on the wrong side of the road around blind bends, crests atc.
Mental really, but they didn't crash even though they were speeding.....
FFS Police, get real to the abilities of these superstars. Please don't give me any politically correct sh!te either, 'cos I was there and you weren't.
The way things look with F1, we may not have a British Grand Prix for much longer. This sort of behaviour by the police could cause the WRC to pull out of Britain as well.
Wonderful country we live in. Other countries would go out of their way to encourage these drivers, not penalise them.
Wonderful country we live in. Other countries would go out of their way to encourage these drivers, not penalise them.
andygo said:
The welsh Police have changed their tune a bit from the old days.
Years ago, when Timo Makinen, Roger Clark etc were competing, and the rally was a proper test, I remember being in the back of my dads Escort Twin Cam (he had one of the first 50 out of Boreham to do the Players No.6 National autocross championship as he knew a ex racer called Ian Alllen, father of the James Allen of GP commentating infamy) in a endless queue of cars wending their way thru the welsh lanes to spectate at about 2 in the morning. As we trundled along at about 40 ish, their was a blaze of lights from behind, then a blast of exhaust as Makkinen, Clark et al screamed past at max speed to make it to the next stage. They were completely on the wrong side of the road around blind bends, crests atc.
Mental really, but they didn't crash even though they were speeding.....
FFS Police, get real to the abilities of these superstars. Please don't give me any politically correct sh!te either, 'cos I was there and you weren't.
Exactly andy, I'm not proud of what used to be got up to but we never never even had an incident on a road section.
The nearest ever got to getting a ticket was funnily enough also in Wales. We were in a little two car convoy with Sandro Munari in his works Stratos when a bike cop pulled us both for.... ahem..... making progress. Fortunately he spoke to Sandro first and as Dai the Police didn't have any Italian he just waved us both on.
Phew!
Not just in Wales either. Running pre-pilot (with a reporter on board) in the Lakes stages of the RAC Rally many years ago, the local constabulary waved me out of Kendal at highly illegal speeds.
Earlier, whilst staying at the Peacock Inn (if I remember correctly) alongside Bassenthwaite Lake (BTW - the ONLY Lake in the Lake District), we awaited the arrival of Peter Duckworth who was driving up from the RAC HQ in London. His E-type with cherry red exhausts and brakes pulled up outside in a time that gave him an average of around 90 from Pall Mall!
Oh, and the pressman suffered projectile vomiting when I had the RS2000 sideways facing a rock face with a 1,000+ foot drop on the other side ... at about 100mph
Happy days!
Streaky
Earlier, whilst staying at the Peacock Inn (if I remember correctly) alongside Bassenthwaite Lake (BTW - the ONLY Lake in the Lake District), we awaited the arrival of Peter Duckworth who was driving up from the RAC HQ in London. His E-type with cherry red exhausts and brakes pulled up outside in a time that gave him an average of around 90 from Pall Mall!
Oh, and the pressman suffered projectile vomiting when I had the RS2000 sideways facing a rock face with a 1,000+ foot drop on the other side ... at about 100mph
Happy days!
Streaky
Best part of this episode is that any of the drivers theyve pulled can drive the arse off the cars to a degree that even the so called "advanced" police drivers wouldnt have a clue about.
So who do they think theyre kidding by "making an example" out of these guys?
The only example being made here is that theyre a bunch of fixated revenue hungry twatheads, who really dont have sod all else to do.
Now, Im NOT bashing the police (and i shouldnt even have to say that....) but dosent this seem like a BIT of an over reaction by the cops in that area?
Im afraid i dont buy into the concensus that they have "no choice", cos they clearly do.
If they dont agree with it, then say something about it, or quit.
I dont want the police picking on soft targets. I want them dealing with the scum that cause mayhem.
Thats what their job is. This speeding lark is way outa control to the point that now, nothing else seems to matter.
Better wake up guys before its too late.
So who do they think theyre kidding by "making an example" out of these guys?
The only example being made here is that theyre a bunch of fixated revenue hungry twatheads, who really dont have sod all else to do.
Now, Im NOT bashing the police (and i shouldnt even have to say that....) but dosent this seem like a BIT of an over reaction by the cops in that area?
Im afraid i dont buy into the concensus that they have "no choice", cos they clearly do.
If they dont agree with it, then say something about it, or quit.
I dont want the police picking on soft targets. I want them dealing with the scum that cause mayhem.
Thats what their job is. This speeding lark is way outa control to the point that now, nothing else seems to matter.
Better wake up guys before its too late.
Mr E said:
jeffreyarcher said:
Since the police are unlikely to have been able to serve a NIP on a foreign keeper within the 14 days, I assume that they must have S172'd the organisers.
Ah, but surely the cars are registered to the WRC teams, so the initial NIP would go to Subaru Rally UK or whatever. They then have to respond saying Mr Rally Driver was driving..........
The second NIP can take as long as it likes (well, sort of).
From the bit of my post that you snipped in your quote,
jeffreyarcher said:
I think it looks like the drivers on foreign plates and the organisers need new lawyers.
Subaru Rally UK is a bad example, they run on UK plates.
>> Edited by jeffreyarcher on Monday 10th November 22:01
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