I thought people were looking for jobs? (IT/asp.net/Warwick)
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We've been advertising for a couple of weeks looking for asp.net developers, and considering the supposed state of the economy we're finding the number of applicants to be disappointingly low and of poor quality. I was half expecting queues round the block.
It's not like we are looking for anything unusual - we need a senior bod, 7 yrs+, with some commercial nous and decent asp.net (pref vb.net) experience, and a more junior bod, 3-7yrs. Warwick based, decent salary, excellent prospects.
What's going on? Where have all the IT people gone?
It's not like we are looking for anything unusual - we need a senior bod, 7 yrs+, with some commercial nous and decent asp.net (pref vb.net) experience, and a more junior bod, 3-7yrs. Warwick based, decent salary, excellent prospects.
What's going on? Where have all the IT people gone?
Hi Don
Salary £35-40k for senior asp.net developer, seems reasonable? £30-35 for asp.net developer.
Entire package is up for negotiation for right candidates to be honest.
We're on TotalJobs, I've suggested to HR we pop the ads on Jobserve as well.
Salary £35-40k for senior asp.net developer, seems reasonable? £30-35 for asp.net developer.
Entire package is up for negotiation for right candidates to be honest.
We're on TotalJobs, I've suggested to HR we pop the ads on Jobserve as well.
Edited by VictorMeldrew on Thursday 19th March 13:59
VictorMeldrew said:
Hi Don
Salary £35-40k for senior asp.net developer, seems reasonable? £30-35 for asp.net developer.
Entire package is up for negotiation for right candidates to be honest.
We're on TotalJobs, I've suggested to HR we pop the ads on Jobserve as well.
You might consider Monster.comSalary £35-40k for senior asp.net developer, seems reasonable? £30-35 for asp.net developer.
Entire package is up for negotiation for right candidates to be honest.
We're on TotalJobs, I've suggested to HR we pop the ads on Jobserve as well.
Your senior guy might be being a little underpaid. The regular guy's wages look generous! How much "commercial nous" will the senior guy need? At those salaries I wouldn't expect them to be client facing without an escort.
No. I think you're offering something most would see as fair enough. Try it out for a few weeks more. If no-one applies you'll have to think about offering a little more.
Don, I'll be struggling to get more than £40k for the senior post! I'm a wage slave myself now, I've wound down my own business. I still have some of my old clients, but as customers of the company I'm working for now as Technical Manager (shortly to become Technical Director). Final word on salaries is with the MD though.
The senior guy will need to be able to run with a project pretty autonomously, and how their prospects pan out will be down to them - we are small but with ambitious growth plans and a solid order book to fund the growth, and contributions to that growth are recognised and rewarded (did I mention I was about to become a director? ;0) Equally as a small outfit we can't and won't carry passengers.
The senior guy will need to be able to run with a project pretty autonomously, and how their prospects pan out will be down to them - we are small but with ambitious growth plans and a solid order book to fund the growth, and contributions to that growth are recognised and rewarded (did I mention I was about to become a director? ;0) Equally as a small outfit we can't and won't carry passengers.
VictorMeldrew said:
Don, I'll be struggling to get more than £40k for the senior post! I'm a wage slave myself now, I've wound down my own business. I still have some of my old clients, but as customers of the company I'm working for now as Technical Manager (shortly to become Technical Director). Final word on salaries is with the MD though.
The senior guy will need to be able to run with a project pretty autonomously, and how their prospects pan out will be down to them - we are small but with ambitious growth plans and a solid order book to fund the growth, and contributions to that growth are recognised and rewarded (did I mention I was about to become a director? ;0) Equally as a small outfit we can't and won't carry passengers.
OK. If you want get a self-starting, commercially aware, trustworthy in front of the clients without as escort, project managing consultant type with ASP.NET application development excellence used to delivering to clients autonomously etc. £40K is going to be something of a minimum. Typically those people are already contractors or are with a consultancy - and the consultancies pay a LOT more than that.The senior guy will need to be able to run with a project pretty autonomously, and how their prospects pan out will be down to them - we are small but with ambitious growth plans and a solid order book to fund the growth, and contributions to that growth are recognised and rewarded (did I mention I was about to become a director? ;0) Equally as a small outfit we can't and won't carry passengers.
Having said that some of the big consultancies ARE shedding people right now. So if you've got an order book and can sell the possibilities to someone you really ought to be able to get someone decent.
Oh.
Are you sure you want to become a Director?
I'm only a Director because it's my sodding Company and so I have to be. I don't understand why anyone would be a Director without being paid a shedload of money for it or because they have a shareholding and it's the only way to look after it properly!
Being a Director is more about sodding liabilities and responsibilities than it is about benefits in my experience! Bloody Companies House, bleedin' HM Revenue and Customs, shagging Annual Accounts, auditors, accountants, lawyers and every one more of a blood-sucking leech than the last...(sorry Barrie, sorry Nigel you're lovely really) etc etc.
Are you sure you want to become a Director?
I'm only a Director because it's my sodding Company and so I have to be. I don't understand why anyone would be a Director without being paid a shedload of money for it or because they have a shareholding and it's the only way to look after it properly!
Being a Director is more about sodding liabilities and responsibilities than it is about benefits in my experience! Bloody Companies House, bleedin' HM Revenue and Customs, shagging Annual Accounts, auditors, accountants, lawyers and every one more of a blood-sucking leech than the last...(sorry Barrie, sorry Nigel you're lovely really) etc etc.
Know exactly what you mean Don, they're all the reasons why I gave up on my own business! Too much like hard work.We do have an admin person though who deals with all that sort of guff, so we can focus on the real business.
And yes, shareholding is a large factor.
We have this vision of the company operating as a collective of skilled senior people of the ilk you describe - a description that applies perfectly to both my self and the MD. Something like a GP or solicitors practice. Prove yourself and you become one of the "partners", with a shareholding.
And yes, effectively I was a contractor earning substantially more than the salary I get now, but I made a leap of faith I suppose. Nothing ventured eh?
Edited by VictorMeldrew on Thursday 19th March 17:37
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