red bull to officially protest about diffusers at aussie gp.

[Craig@CMR]

so theyve showed there hand first, lets see what happens at the weekend.

http://www.crash.net/Formula+One/News/144406/1/red...

could end up very drawn out and very bad for the sport, we have not even had the first race yet and theres more media interest in the inter team bhing than there is on what SHOULD be a good season.


oh well, at least the lawyers wont be feeling the 'credit crunch'

[patmahe]

This is where a sensible organisation would take out the rule book, read the rules and decide if the diffusers meet the requirements or not, if they do they are legal, if they don't they are not. Simple as that. There should be no 'spirit of the rules' bullst either

Unfortunately the FIA is not a sensible organisation so God only knows where this will end up.

ETA: Also they won't decide before the Australian GP, so whats the point in having it if you're just going to make up the results afterwards. This is why our sport is a laughing stock, well this, the dwarf and spanky.

Edited by patmahe on Wednesday 25th March 12:16

[Maty]

Ditto the above, what an absolute fecking farce!

All the teams are in Aus I presume so why the hell don't they get the rule book out, grab a scruiteneer (SP) and walk down the pit lane checking the cars, if they are illegal they get a chance to rectify the problem before the race!! It sounds simple enough to me.

Bernie & Spanky, your a joke!

Edited by Maty on Wednesday 25th March 12:23

[Marcellus]

patmahe said:

ETA: Also they won't decide before the Australian GP, so whats the point in having it if you're just going to make up the results afterwards.

becuase they need to see how the new Ferrari diffuser does before they penalise any team who has a better result.......................

[ajprice]

With Adrian 'Design Genius' Newey putting the RB5 together, I'm surprised the Red Bull doesn't have a funky diffuser.

[skwdenyer]

ajprice said:

With Adrian 'Design Genius' Newey putting the RB5 together, I'm surprised the Red Bull doesn't have a funky diffuser.

It could be, of course, that Newey's new design concept doesn't need the same sort of "funky diffuser action" as the others in order to work

[Marcellus]

skwdenyer said:

ajprice said:

With Adrian 'Design Genius' Newey putting the RB5 together, I'm surprised the Red Bull doesn't have a funky diffuser.

It could be, of course, that Newey's new design concept doesn't need the same sort of "funky diffuser action" as the others in order to work

or that it does but they're pig sick that the other one works better!

[Craig@CMR]

Marcellus said:

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or that it does but they're pig sick that the other one works better!

bingo....and theres the root cause.

[CoolC]

Are there any decent pictures of the diffusers about yet?

[Flying Toilet]

Marcellus said:

skwdenyer said:

ajprice said:

With Adrian 'Design Genius' Newey putting the RB5 together, I'm surprised the Red Bull doesn't have a funky diffuser.

It could be, of course, that Newey's new design concept doesn't need the same sort of "funky diffuser action" as the others in order to work

or that it does but they're pig sick that the other one works better!

Red Bull designed a similar diffuser and was told by the FIA is could not be used. Then Toyota, Williams and Brawn turn up at the test said diffuser.

I think Red Bull are looking for clarity more than anything...

[DSM2]

Seems a bit rich for RBR to be the ones to protest. Weren't they the ones who manipulated the biggest ever 'against the spirit of the rules' move by building one car for two teams to use?

[ajprice]

Oh but they're completely different cars, honest guv, they've got different engines, and different...err... paint?

[stifler]

DSM2 said:

Seems a bit rich for RBR to be the ones to protest. Weren't they the ones who manipulated the biggest ever 'against the spirit of the rules' move by building one car for two teams to use?

More likely that Flav has asked them to protest it. RBR have Renault engines, so he will have a bit of leverage there.

IIRC there is a company called Red Bull Design or something that does the design work for the cars. RBR and STR "buy" the designs. Apparently it is legal to the letter of the regulations.

[DSM2]

stifler said:

DSM2 said:

Seems a bit rich for RBR to be the ones to protest. Weren't they the ones who manipulated the biggest ever 'against the spirit of the rules' move by building one car for two teams to use?

More likely that Flav has asked them to protest it. RBR have Renault engines, so he will have a bit of leverage there.

IIRC there is a company called Red Bull Design or something that does the design work for the cars. RBR and STR "buy" the designs. Apparently it is legal to the letter of the regulations.

It certainly is legal to the letter but so are the new diffusers. Red Bull Design was set up solely for the purpose of circumventing the regulations in force at the time and enabling the one car to be built by one team and sold to another.

[stifler]

DSM2 said:

stifler said:

DSM2 said:

Seems a bit rich for RBR to be the ones to protest. Weren't they the ones who manipulated the biggest ever 'against the spirit of the rules' move by building one car for two teams to use?

More likely that Flav has asked them to protest it. RBR have Renault engines, so he will have a bit of leverage there.

IIRC there is a company called Red Bull Design or something that does the design work for the cars. RBR and STR "buy" the designs. Apparently it is legal to the letter of the regulations.

It certainly is legal to the letter but so are the new diffusers. Red Bull Design was set up solely for the purpose of circumventing the regulations in force at the time and enabling the one car to be built by one team and sold to another.

Yep. But think how much money it saved them. Same as Super Aguri getting the previous years Honda. I'm all for it, if it ensures cars on the grid. I don't think that Red Bull would have funded two seperate F1 projects, therefore IMHO it is a good thing.

[skwdenyer]

Flying Toilet said:

Red Bull designed a similar diffuser and was told by the FIA is could not be used. Then Toyota, Williams and Brawn turn up at the test said diffuser.

I think Red Bull are looking for clarity more than anything...

I'm sorry if this seems to be doubting you, but do you have a source for this? My understanding was that Williams, at least, had cleared their diffuser with the FIA (well, with Charlie Whiting at least, which isn't always the same thing...). CW has confirmed this in public. You seem to be saying that RBR asked the same question and got a different reply; is that so?

[Flying Toilet]

skwdenyer said:

Flying Toilet said:

Red Bull designed a similar diffuser and was told by the FIA is could not be used. Then Toyota, Williams and Brawn turn up at the test said diffuser.

I think Red Bull are looking for clarity more than anything...

I'm sorry if this seems to be doubting you, but do you have a source for this? My understanding was that Williams, at least, had cleared their diffuser with the FIA (well, with Charlie Whiting at least, which isn't always the same thing...). CW has confirmed this in public. You seem to be saying that RBR asked the same question and got a different reply; is that so?

A family member works for Red Bull.

[DSM2]

stifler said:

DSM2 said:

stifler said:

DSM2 said:

Seems a bit rich for RBR to be the ones to protest. Weren't they the ones who manipulated the biggest ever 'against the spirit of the rules' move by building one car for two teams to use?

More likely that Flav has asked them to protest it. RBR have Renault engines, so he will have a bit of leverage there.

IIRC there is a company called Red Bull Design or something that does the design work for the cars. RBR and STR "buy" the designs. Apparently it is legal to the letter of the regulations.

It certainly is legal to the letter but so are the new diffusers. Red Bull Design was set up solely for the purpose of circumventing the regulations in force at the time and enabling the one car to be built by one team and sold to another.

Yep. But think how much money it saved them. Same as Super Aguri getting the previous years Honda. I'm all for it, if it ensures cars on the grid. I don't think that Red Bull would have funded two seperate F1 projects, therefore IMHO it is a good thing.

I agree. I have nothing at all against it, but I also think the diffusers should be allowed.

I was just pointing out the irony of the most likely protestor against the diffusers, which seem to be at worse to be against only the spirit of the regs, being the team that went to an awful lot of trouble a few years ago to run a coach and horses throught that spirit..........

[DSM2]

skwdenyer said:

Flying Toilet said:

Red Bull designed a similar diffuser and was told by the FIA is could not be used. Then Toyota, Williams and Brawn turn up at the test said diffuser.

I think Red Bull are looking for clarity more than anything...

I'm sorry if this seems to be doubting you, but do you have a source for this? My understanding was that Williams, at least, had cleared their diffuser with the FIA (well, with Charlie Whiting at least, which isn't always the same thing...). CW has confirmed this in public. You seem to be saying that RBR asked the same question and got a different reply; is that so?

Charlie Whiting 'approved' the Toyota, Williams and Brawn. The FIA Tech committee signed off on the first two.

[skwdenyer]

DSM2 said:

skwdenyer said:

Flying Toilet said:

Red Bull designed a similar diffuser and was told by the FIA is could not be used. Then Toyota, Williams and Brawn turn up at the test said diffuser.

I think Red Bull are looking for clarity more than anything...

I'm sorry if this seems to be doubting you, but do you have a source for this? My understanding was that Williams, at least, had cleared their diffuser with the FIA (well, with Charlie Whiting at least, which isn't always the same thing...). CW has confirmed this in public. You seem to be saying that RBR asked the same question and got a different reply; is that so?

Charlie Whiting 'approved' the Toyota, Williams and Brawn. The FIA Tech committee signed off on the first two.

OK... is the FIA Tech Committee the group that is headed by Brawn, or is that some other group?

IIRC, in the arcane way in which things are run, the stewards can still rule on legality/illegality at the trackside, regardless of a "pre-approval" from the FIA?

And, what, frankly, is the point of approval from the FIA Tech Committee if that is open to challenge in the FIA Court of Appeal?