When was the last time a new team took the front row?
When was the last time a new team took the front row?
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hot metal

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Saturday 28th March 2009
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Maybe March at Kyalami in 1970, was there anything more recent?

scratchchinalthough Stewart and Amon were driving for different teams ,Tyrrell and March works team,but I suppose it still counts.

LocoBlade

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Saturday 28th March 2009
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1954 I think they said, cant remember the team

Shuvi

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Saturday 28th March 2009
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Wolf and Jody Schekter? Only one car though.

Edited by Shuvi on Saturday 28th March 20:12

Cara Van Man

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280 months

Saturday 28th March 2009
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I'm sure they said the last time a rookie team got pole was Stewart in a Tyrrell....but not sure about a front row lock out.

FourWheelDrift

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Saturday 28th March 2009
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Shuvi said:
Wolf and Jody Schekter? Only one car though.
Won a race first time out, he was 11th on the grid.

It was the first time any team had taken the front row of the grid since Mercedes at the French GP in 1954. Although I'm sure a pedant will also say that Alfa Romeo did it in 1950 because that was the first year of F1.

Shuvi

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FourWheelDrift said:
Shuvi said:
Wolf and Jody Schekter? Only one car though.
Won a race first time out, he was 11th on the grid.
Yeah, I'm mixing up wins and poles.

hot metal

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FourWheelDrift said:
Shuvi said:
Wolf and Jody Schekter? Only one car though.
Won a race first time out, he was 11th on the grid.

It was the first time any team had taken the front row of the grid since Mercedes at the French GP in 1954. Although I'm sure a pedant will also say that Alfa Romeo did it in 1950 because that was the first year of F1.
and another pedant would say Mercedes weren`t a new team.

FourWheelDrift

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Saturday 28th March 2009
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hot metal said:
and another pedant would say Mercedes weren`t a new team.
They were because they had never competed in the Formula One World Championships before. Pre-war it was a different championship. smile

The Stuntman *

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246 months

Saturday 28th March 2009
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I believe it was Jackie Stewart in the late 60's/early 70's - maybe for Tyrell. confused

Edited by The Stuntman * on Saturday 28th March 20:38

FourWheelDrift

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Saturday 28th March 2009
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The Stuntman * said:
I believe it was Jackie Stewart in the late 60's/early 70's - maybe for Tyrell. confused
Mercedes in 1954 had the front row on debut. Jackie Stewart was on pole for his first race in a Tyrrell (Canada 1970) but Chris Amon in a Ferrari was next to him on the front row. There was no other Tyrrell in that race.

Marcia

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Saturday 28th March 2009
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FourWheelDrift said:
The Stuntman * said:
I believe it was Jackie Stewart in the late 60's/early 70's - maybe for Tyrell. confused
Mercedes in 1954 had the front row on debut. Jackie Stewart was on pole for his first race in a Tyrrell (Canada 1970) but Chris Amon in a Ferrari was next to him on the front row. There was no other Tyrrell in that race.
Either you've been searching google or your older than i'm expecting you to be whistle

hot metal

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FourWheelDrift said:
The Stuntman * said:
I believe it was Jackie Stewart in the late 60's/early 70's - maybe for Tyrell. confused
Mercedes in 1954 had the front row on debut. Jackie Stewart was on pole for his first race in a Tyrrell (Canada 1970) but Chris Amon in a Ferrari was next to him on the front row. There was no other Tyrrell in that race.
Chris Amon was driving the March 701 at Canada in 1970, he finished 3rd.
Stewart debuted the first Tyrrell f1 car of their own manufacture but retired.
He had started the season in a similar March to Amon`s but privately entered by Ken Tyrrell.March had set out to sell cars to any private entrant who could stump up the cash as well as running a works team for Amon and Siffert.
Stewart and Amon took the front row at the first race of 1970 at Kyalami.

Was this the last time this happened ? It seems maybe it was (replace rooky team with rooky manufacturer)

Oily Fingernails

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Saturday 28th March 2009
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Marcia said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Mercedes in 1954 had the front row on debut. Jackie Stewart was on pole for his first race in a Tyrrell (Canada 1970) but Chris Amon in a Ferrari was next to him on the front row. There was no other Tyrrell in that race.
Either you've been searching google or your older than i'm expecting you to be whistle
..you obviously never caught this comment from him earlier ...

FourWheelDrift said:
..I was 'ere when this Website were nawt but cyber-fields...cyber-field after cyber-field, as far as me cataracts could see..
And possibly showing his REAL age (and a touch of senility,possibly) silly


FourWheelDrift said:
I remember when Jackie Stewart wore normal clothes with no Tartan on at all
Stewart without the tartan flat cap and jacket!!! HERESY!!! biggrin

FourWheelDrift

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Saturday 28th March 2009
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biggrin







I also have my big book of F1 to hand wink

Marcia

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Saturday 28th March 2009
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hehe That explains all,anyway i'm off to bed am knackered been up for practice at 3am 2 nights running,can't wait for tomorrow wavey bye.

FourWheelDrift

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Saturday 28th March 2009
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hot metal said:
FourWheelDrift said:
The Stuntman * said:
I believe it was Jackie Stewart in the late 60's/early 70's - maybe for Tyrell. confused
Mercedes in 1954 had the front row on debut. Jackie Stewart was on pole for his first race in a Tyrrell (Canada 1970) but Chris Amon in a Ferrari was next to him on the front row. There was no other Tyrrell in that race.
Chris Amon was driving the March 701 at Canada in 1970,
No idea why I typed Amon it was Jacky Ickx in a Ferrari alongside Stewart's Tyrrell on their debut as a manufacturer.

EDLT

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Saturday 28th March 2009
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The commentator said it was in 1972, I think.

FourWheelDrift

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Saturday 28th March 2009
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I don't think it was 1972, it was 1970 that Tyrrell first entered and he was on pole as I said above but that was a single car only of Stewart.

Autosport also says it was Mercedes having both cars on the front row at the French GP in 1954 - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73976

german tony

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237 months

Sunday 29th March 2009
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In 1970 Tyrell didn't build their own cars, they used a shiny new March & gave that manufacturer a debut pole.

This would mean that Brawn's achievement is thus a pole for debut team/manufacturer as opposed to Stewart's achievement of a debut pole for a manufacturer.

However as 1 car was built with Honda's money the other with a bank's (I think) you could argue that neither of the acknowledged manufacturer's deserve the credit.

Barry Ashcroft

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Sunday 29th March 2009
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Why are you calling Brawn a new team it's Honda with a new name with a car developed by Honda with Honda money.

Would you call Mclaren a new team if it was bought out and called Whitmarsh GP?