LDV Situation - Petition

LDV Situation - Petition

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Hunky Dory

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1,061 posts

218 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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Folks,

Before we get into a "should we / shouldn't we" dispute, I have no connection with LDV, or any of their suppliers. This is purely a "public service announcement"
I read some strong opinions here previously both in favour and against supporting LDV in their troubles, so thought I could post this, so that those in favour can do their bit and those against can ignore it and move along wink

E-mail said:
We are clearly now at a critical point in lobbying the government for assistance to secure the future of LDV.
There is a serious investor at the table who the government have agreed is credible and intent on investing to give LDV an exciting future.
We simply now need to convince the government to provide the reduced short term bridging loan to allow the investment process to be completed and we can secure thousands of British jobs in the industry. We therefore need to demonstrate to the government that this small loan (in comparison to the bail-out for the banks) is in the best interests of the country and that it is what taxpayers want to see.
I need the urgent help of all of the Supplier network, their friends and families to achieve this.
We have an E petition open on the No 10 website and we need to gather support quickly this week.

The link is: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/SaveLDV/
We currently only have 1,100 signatures yet there are thousands of jobs at LDV, in the Supplier network and your Supply Chain that are affected so we need to demonstrate this in the next 48 hours.
I would like to ask that every member of the Supplier network associated with LDV signs and they also ask any colleagues, friends and family who believe in helping to keep British jobs in the automotive industry and manufacturing at this critical time to sign.
Please could you rally some support from your colleagues of the various panels to campaign this from today across the network and their colleages, friends and families. I would ask that you all lead by example, sign first and then tell others. Every signature counts.

Thanks in anticipation of your support.
Oh. One last thing - Standard issue apology for repost (if it is). I promise I tried searching first!

ali_kat

32,053 posts

234 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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Done biggrin

dundarach

5,597 posts

241 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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done

Fatboy

8,195 posts

285 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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Done - a short term bridging loan to secure further investment in proper UK based manufacturing is exactly the sort of government support that should be provided - long term state ownership is bad, but this sort of support gives them a fighting chance without burdening the taxpayer too much.

johnnywgk

2,579 posts

195 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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done

elster

17,517 posts

223 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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I take it you guys don't drive or use LDV's.

On the market I can't think of a worse van.

So I don't agree with lending money, same as with the banks. They say dole scumbags are high risk debt. The banks and car manufacturers are also an even higher risk debt.

Kickstart

1,090 posts

250 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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There is clear overcapacity in the auto industry and I do not want my tax pounds supporting this industry

ali_kat

32,053 posts

234 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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elster said:
I take it you guys don't drive or use LDV's.
Driven them, didn't find any thing worse on it than any other van I've driven.

However, I DO have friends at the factory, and people whose jobs will be affected by the loss of it frown

elster

17,517 posts

223 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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ali_kat said:
elster said:
I take it you guys don't drive or use LDV's.
Driven them, didn't find any thing worse on it than any other van I've driven.

However, I DO have friends at the factory, and people whose jobs will be affected by the loss of it frown
They should be going to the designers then for an explanation.

Mechanically a friends company has a fleet of 10 LDV's. Out of that in the past 12 months of ownership at least 1 has been out of action every week with problems.

To drive they are not designed as a working vehicle, the stupid centre speedo for one.

Everyone has a job somewhere. If a business is not a success, it is not a success. Simple as that.

Fittster

20,120 posts

226 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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Refused to sign on principle because I believe in the free market.

However as a Birmingham Council Taxpayer I've already been stung to the tune of £2.5 million prop up this failing organisation.

"Meanwhile, Birmingham City Council has announced a £2.5 million package of support, including writing off £1 million in business rates and seeking orders for more than 100 vans, to help prop up the van manufacturer."

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/200...

The council should remember its job is to get value for money for council taxpayer not prop up failing companies. What next, each member of council to get a new company Jag or Land Rover?



Edited by Fittster on Monday 30th March 20:00

bazking69

8,620 posts

203 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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It's the usual drill. I couldn't give a monkeys about the company. Their commercial stuff has been rubbish for donkeys years, and they have failed to recognise or act on it.
But as per usual, it is the guy on the shop floor who stands to lose out as a result of years of bad management by people on very good salaries

Nickyboy

6,719 posts

247 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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bazking69 said:
It's the usual drill. I couldn't give a monkeys about the company. Their commercial stuff has been rubbish for donkeys years, and they have failed to recognise or act on it.
But as per usual, it is the guy on the shop floor who stands to lose out as a result of years of bad management by people on very good salaries
+1

Its not good when people lose their jobs, i wouldn't wish it on anyone but its the same debate that went on with Rover, why bail out a company who don't appear to keep up with modern designs? Even with a bail out, in 12 months when they still aren't selling vans are they going to keep plumbing money into the company?

steve y

460 posts

224 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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+1 crap product total waste of money bothering to bail it out bulldozer the site and build houses on it

cjs

11,167 posts

264 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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steve y said:
+1 crap product total waste of money bothering to bail it out bulldozer the site and build houses on it
And where would all the people who live in the houses work?

cjs

11,167 posts

264 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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The Vans are great, we have 3. It's a pity the Police and other public bodies don't support UK manufactured products.

mcflurry

9,168 posts

266 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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Why can't the owners put their money into the product?

Rob.

17,911 posts

231 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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The only decent bits on the LDV`s are the Ford Transit sourced bits.

Fittster

20,120 posts

226 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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cjs said:
The Vans are great, we have 3. It's a pity the Police and other public bodies don't support UK manufactured products.
Public bodies should look for the best value for money, not try and prop up UK companies with a form of protectionism.

Cara Van Man

29,977 posts

264 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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elster said:
I take it you guys don't drive or use LDV's.

On the market I can't think of a worse van.
totally agree.

bloody hateful things.

wulluff

650 posts

219 months

Monday 30th March 2009
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bazking69 said:
It's the usual drill. I couldn't give a monkeys about the company. Their commercial stuff has been rubbish for donkeys years, and they have failed to recognise or act on it.
But as per usual, it is the guy on the shop floor who stands to lose out as a result of years of bad management by people on very good salaries
sad but true whistle