whats the best trackday elise ?
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Erm...take your pick. They can all be turned into whatever you want.
My pick? Sport 160 on Randy spec Nitrons with a bit of work from DVLA on the engine. You'll probably need to refurb the suspension, uprate ARB and brakes and fit harness bar and harnesses.
Or buy a boggo S1, fit some Randy Nitrons, give the suspension a general refurb, uprate the brakes, change seats to something like Tillets, Harness bar and harnesses, Yoko OA48 or Toyo 888 tyres. Engine breathed on by DVLA or Kiwirog to give about 160/170 bhp that won't readily go bang.
When you want more power drop a Honda or Audi unit in to give yourself up to 300bhp (or more).
A 170bhp S1 has about the same power/weight ratio as an Exige S but is much nimbler due to being about 200kg lighter.
Got 45k spare? Buy a 2-11.
My pick? Sport 160 on Randy spec Nitrons with a bit of work from DVLA on the engine. You'll probably need to refurb the suspension, uprate ARB and brakes and fit harness bar and harnesses.
Or buy a boggo S1, fit some Randy Nitrons, give the suspension a general refurb, uprate the brakes, change seats to something like Tillets, Harness bar and harnesses, Yoko OA48 or Toyo 888 tyres. Engine breathed on by DVLA or Kiwirog to give about 160/170 bhp that won't readily go bang.
When you want more power drop a Honda or Audi unit in to give yourself up to 300bhp (or more).
A 170bhp S1 has about the same power/weight ratio as an Exige S but is much nimbler due to being about 200kg lighter.
Got 45k spare? Buy a 2-11.
TIPPER said:
Erm...take your pick. They can all be turned into whatever you want.
My pick? Sport 160 on Randy spec Nitrons with a bit of work from DVLA on the engine. You'll probably need to refurb the suspension, uprate ARB and brakes and fit harness bar and harnesses.
Or buy a boggo S1, fit some Randy Nitrons, give the suspension a general refurb, uprate the brakes, change seats to something like Tillets, Harness bar and harnesses, Yoko OA48 or Toyo 888 tyres. Engine breathed on by DVLA or Kiwirog to give about 160/170 bhp that won't readily go bang.
When you want more power drop a Honda or Audi unit in to give yourself up to 300bhp (or more).
A 170bhp S1 has about the same power/weight ratio as an Exige S but is much nimbler due to being about 200kg lighter.
Got 45k spare? Buy a 2-11.
was talking more out the box.. i.e. no modsMy pick? Sport 160 on Randy spec Nitrons with a bit of work from DVLA on the engine. You'll probably need to refurb the suspension, uprate ARB and brakes and fit harness bar and harnesses.
Or buy a boggo S1, fit some Randy Nitrons, give the suspension a general refurb, uprate the brakes, change seats to something like Tillets, Harness bar and harnesses, Yoko OA48 or Toyo 888 tyres. Engine breathed on by DVLA or Kiwirog to give about 160/170 bhp that won't readily go bang.
When you want more power drop a Honda or Audi unit in to give yourself up to 300bhp (or more).
A 170bhp S1 has about the same power/weight ratio as an Exige S but is much nimbler due to being about 200kg lighter.
Got 45k spare? Buy a 2-11.
if you were going to go to all that hassle of getting custom valved dampers, DVA work, ripping out seats, licking Randys bum etc.. then hell, you may as well be done with it and get a trailer and an R500
lol. If the DVLA can't help, then DVA (http://www.dvapower.co.uk/) might. 
But if you want something you don't need to fiddle with, then get the S1 Sport 160.
But if you want something you don't need to fiddle with, then get the S1 Sport 160.TIPPER said:
Erm...take your pick. They can all be turned into whatever you want.
My pick? Sport 160 on Randy spec Nitrons with a bit of work from DVLA on the engine. You'll probably need to refurb the suspension, uprate ARB and brakes and fit harness bar and harnesses.
Or buy a boggo S1, fit some Randy Nitrons, give the suspension a general refurb, uprate the brakes, change seats to something like Tillets, Harness bar and harnesses, Yoko OA48 or Toyo 888 tyres. Engine breathed on by DVLA or Kiwirog to give about 160/170 bhp that won't readily go bang.
When you want more power drop a Honda or Audi unit in to give yourself up to 300bhp (or more).
A 170bhp S1 has about the same power/weight ratio as an Exige S but is much nimbler due to being about 200kg lighter.
Got 45k spare? Buy a 2-11.
My pick? Sport 160 on Randy spec Nitrons with a bit of work from DVLA on the engine. You'll probably need to refurb the suspension, uprate ARB and brakes and fit harness bar and harnesses.
Or buy a boggo S1, fit some Randy Nitrons, give the suspension a general refurb, uprate the brakes, change seats to something like Tillets, Harness bar and harnesses, Yoko OA48 or Toyo 888 tyres. Engine breathed on by DVLA or Kiwirog to give about 160/170 bhp that won't readily go bang.
When you want more power drop a Honda or Audi unit in to give yourself up to 300bhp (or more).
A 170bhp S1 has about the same power/weight ratio as an Exige S but is much nimbler due to being about 200kg lighter.
Got 45k spare? Buy a 2-11.
Edited by Phil. S. on Tuesday 31st March 00:45
Phil. S. said:
lol. If the DVLA can't help, then DVA (http://www.dvapower.co.uk/) might. But if you want something you don't need to fiddle with, then get the S1 Sport 160 or S1 Exige.
But if you want something you don't need to fiddle with, then get the S1 Sport 160 or S1 Exige.TIPPER said:
Erm...take your pick. They can all be turned into whatever you want.
My pick? Sport 160 on Randy spec Nitrons with a bit of work from DVLA on the engine. You'll probably need to refurb the suspension, uprate ARB and brakes and fit harness bar and harnesses.
Or buy a boggo S1, fit some Randy Nitrons, give the suspension a general refurb, uprate the brakes, change seats to something like Tillets, Harness bar and harnesses, Yoko OA48 or Toyo 888 tyres. Engine breathed on by DVLA or Kiwirog to give about 160/170 bhp that won't readily go bang.
When you want more power drop a Honda or Audi unit in to give yourself up to 300bhp (or more).
A 170bhp S1 has about the same power/weight ratio as an Exige S but is much nimbler due to being about 200kg lighter.
Got 45k spare? Buy a 2-11.
My pick? Sport 160 on Randy spec Nitrons with a bit of work from DVLA on the engine. You'll probably need to refurb the suspension, uprate ARB and brakes and fit harness bar and harnesses.
Or buy a boggo S1, fit some Randy Nitrons, give the suspension a general refurb, uprate the brakes, change seats to something like Tillets, Harness bar and harnesses, Yoko OA48 or Toyo 888 tyres. Engine breathed on by DVLA or Kiwirog to give about 160/170 bhp that won't readily go bang.
When you want more power drop a Honda or Audi unit in to give yourself up to 300bhp (or more).
A 170bhp S1 has about the same power/weight ratio as an Exige S but is much nimbler due to being about 200kg lighter.
Got 45k spare? Buy a 2-11.
I'd go for a Exige S, try and find one with all three option packs. It has a rear brace fitted as standard. A truly superb car ready for the track.
I'm quite amazed with the performance, especially since my history of cars has been somewhat overkill!
I spoke with Lotus Motorsport only yesterday about what this car "REALLY" needed to take it onto the track for 6 track days per year.
The answer was "nothing", unless I decide to start driving all over the rumble strips and generally drive the car to an inch of its life. All I'll be doing is changing the oil every other trackday and kepping an eye on the rear for signs of wear on the toe links.
Oh and for all you power hungry guys. I asked a very direct question about upping the power from 240bhp to 255-257 as per the 2-11 and 260 cup car. A big no unless the weight of the car is reduced dramatically. According to Lotus the gearbox is the weak link. Up the power with the weight of the Exige (ie 935kg min) and the internals will wear at a dramatic rate. Hence the 2-11 has 255bhp because its weight is nearly 200kgs lighter.
In the meantime I'm more than happy with the Exige S and its 240bhp, you can of course spend best part of £50k on a new 260 Cup Car, but I couldn't justify spending nearly £14k more for a car thats only fractionly quicker. It would be a different story if there was nearer 75kgs in weight saving and 40-50bhp more.
Good luck with your choice!
I'm quite amazed with the performance, especially since my history of cars has been somewhat overkill!
I spoke with Lotus Motorsport only yesterday about what this car "REALLY" needed to take it onto the track for 6 track days per year.
The answer was "nothing", unless I decide to start driving all over the rumble strips and generally drive the car to an inch of its life. All I'll be doing is changing the oil every other trackday and kepping an eye on the rear for signs of wear on the toe links.
Oh and for all you power hungry guys. I asked a very direct question about upping the power from 240bhp to 255-257 as per the 2-11 and 260 cup car. A big no unless the weight of the car is reduced dramatically. According to Lotus the gearbox is the weak link. Up the power with the weight of the Exige (ie 935kg min) and the internals will wear at a dramatic rate. Hence the 2-11 has 255bhp because its weight is nearly 200kgs lighter.
In the meantime I'm more than happy with the Exige S and its 240bhp, you can of course spend best part of £50k on a new 260 Cup Car, but I couldn't justify spending nearly £14k more for a car thats only fractionly quicker. It would be a different story if there was nearer 75kgs in weight saving and 40-50bhp more.
Good luck with your choice!
tricky one...off the shelf with no mods Id want something with sticky tyres, an engine that will last more than a season of trackdays, and firmer suspension
S2 190 would be my choice as its got 100-160Kg weight advantage over later S2 Yotas...but then I remembered the old K series in there LOL
so it would have to be Toyota engined with all the trackday gizmos, and they dont offer them on any off the shelf Elise these days - it has to be an Exige body
so Exige 240/260 in this months "limited edition" flavour I guess
S2 190 would be my choice as its got 100-160Kg weight advantage over later S2 Yotas...but then I remembered the old K series in there LOL
so it would have to be Toyota engined with all the trackday gizmos, and they dont offer them on any off the shelf Elise these days - it has to be an Exige body
so Exige 240/260 in this months "limited edition" flavour I guess
I'd go for either a 2nd hand 111R with sports pack or a Elise S with no pack, you can add what bit's you want when the existing stuff wares out and both can be had now for around 15k
Get one with less than 25k on the clock and it should last if it's been serviced and looked after
Boggy
Get one with less than 25k on the clock and it should last if it's been serviced and looked after
Boggy
) rebuild territory - if you have a daily drive and want an out of the box track tool that isn't a PITA getting there and back that's what I'd have.JPF40 said:
Oh and for all you power hungry guys. I asked a very direct question about upping the power from 240bhp to 255-257 as per the 2-11 and 260 cup car. A big no unless the weight of the car is reduced dramatically. According to Lotus the gearbox is the weak link. Up the power with the weight of the Exige (ie 935kg min) and the internals will wear at a dramatic rate. Hence the 2-11 has 255bhp because its weight is nearly 200kgs lighter.
No offence to the messenger, but I find that *very* hard to believe, since Lotus very own Cup255/Cup260 are over 930kg too, with absolutely no adjustments to the gearbox. The weak link, last time I checked, was still the air-air intercooler mounted ontop of the engine.Phil-CH said:
JPF40 said:
Oh and for all you power hungry guys. I asked a very direct question about upping the power from 240bhp to 255-257 as per the 2-11 and 260 cup car. A big no unless the weight of the car is reduced dramatically. According to Lotus the gearbox is the weak link. Up the power with the weight of the Exige (ie 935kg min) and the internals will wear at a dramatic rate. Hence the 2-11 has 255bhp because its weight is nearly 200kgs lighter.
No offence to the messenger, but I find that *very* hard to believe, since Lotus very own Cup255/Cup260 are over 930kg too, with absolutely no adjustments to the gearbox. The weak link, last time I checked, was still the air-air intercooler mounted ontop of the engine.Weak links? There are probably more than a few once the power rises, and I guess in the coming years we'll see those addressed as the power climbs. Sure a nice water cooled intercooler will allow you to up the power nicely, but then you may need to address other parts within the car that could be subject to increased loads that they may not necessarily have been designed for.
jackal said:
TIPPER said:
Erm...take your pick. They can all be turned into whatever you want.
My pick? Sport 160 on Randy spec Nitrons with a bit of work from DVLA on the engine. You'll probably need to refurb the suspension, uprate ARB and brakes and fit harness bar and harnesses.
Or buy a boggo S1, fit some Randy Nitrons, give the suspension a general refurb, uprate the brakes, change seats to something like Tillets, Harness bar and harnesses, Yoko OA48 or Toyo 888 tyres. Engine breathed on by DVLA or Kiwirog to give about 160/170 bhp that won't readily go bang.
When you want more power drop a Honda or Audi unit in to give yourself up to 300bhp (or more).
A 170bhp S1 has about the same power/weight ratio as an Exige S but is much nimbler due to being about 200kg lighter.
Got 45k spare? Buy a 2-11.
was talking more out the box.. i.e. no modsMy pick? Sport 160 on Randy spec Nitrons with a bit of work from DVLA on the engine. You'll probably need to refurb the suspension, uprate ARB and brakes and fit harness bar and harnesses.
Or buy a boggo S1, fit some Randy Nitrons, give the suspension a general refurb, uprate the brakes, change seats to something like Tillets, Harness bar and harnesses, Yoko OA48 or Toyo 888 tyres. Engine breathed on by DVLA or Kiwirog to give about 160/170 bhp that won't readily go bang.
When you want more power drop a Honda or Audi unit in to give yourself up to 300bhp (or more).
A 170bhp S1 has about the same power/weight ratio as an Exige S but is much nimbler due to being about 200kg lighter.
Got 45k spare? Buy a 2-11.
if you were going to go to all that hassle of getting custom valved dampers, DVA work, ripping out seats, licking Randys bum etc.. then hell, you may as well be done with it and get a trailer and an R500
Incidently an Elise as I described would be quiet usable on the road and you wouldn't need a trailer to get to track (I have to make 600 mile round trips for track days in an Elise that's nearly at my 'ideal' spec.
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