Cerbera 4.5 V8 or Lotus Esprit V8?
Cerbera 4.5 V8 or Lotus Esprit V8?
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stats007

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531 posts

265 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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Have just sold my Aston and am looking for a V8 weekend car (so no more than 3k miles a year). Shortlist is:

Cerbera 4.5 in black
Lotus Esprit V8
E39 M5
Jaguar XKR

Needs to be 10 years old for classic insurance so 1999 cars or earlier. Am used to spending a few k a year in running costs in place of depreciation. My heart says Cerbie though head is looking at the outrigger corrosion mad and other typical TVR problems. XKR is the safe option though all autos and I like driving.

Any sage advice?

Budget up to £15k

Edited by stats007 on Tuesday 7th April 16:19

peteA

2,762 posts

264 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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stats007 said:
Have just sold my Aston and am looking for a V8 weekend car (so no more than 3k miles a year). Shortlist is:

Cerbera 4.5 in black
Lotus Esprit V8
E39 M5
Jaguar XKR

Needs to be 10 years old for classic insurance so 1999 cars or earlier. Am used to spending a few k a year in running costs in place of depreciation. My heart says Cerbie though head is looking at the outrigger corrosion mad and other typical TVR problems. XKR is the safe option though all autos and I like driving.

Any sage advice?

Budget up to £15k

Edited by stats007 on Tuesday 7th April 16:19
Just my opinion...

TVR's are great...Cerbs are brilliant - get one! at £15K you should get a really good 99 car...like you say - check the chassis! Buy on condition.

Esprit - havent had that much experience of lotus...would have thought they drive differently (mid engine) and handle better..? sweeter steering?

In terms of costs and reliability they must be similar...? Both unfairly maligned...? Not as bad as people (who havent owned them...) make out.

Drove a mates XKR...good fun, fast, comfortable...excellent GT but maybe not involving enough for weekend fun car...? probably more reliable?

BMW is the safe bet but in this company the dullest...? good though it is, cant see you itching to drive it at weekends...if you do choose an M5, don't you have to make sure they got the oil change at 1000 miles?

Depends what you want out of it...?

Have fun + hope you get something you are happy with!

Take care

stats007

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531 posts

265 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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Cheers Pete. A more than sensible and polite reply!

As for what I want out of it? Noise, style - something a little bit different that stands out - which is why the title of the thread just mentioned TVR & Lotus...

A question of whether head rules heart!

Edited by stats007 on Tuesday 7th April 16:45

RUSSELLM

6,002 posts

277 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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Why have you got to have classic insurance ? My normal policy doesn't cost a lot, even with 'Commuting' added on.

Look out for the Nikasil issues with the Jag.

dirty boy

14,863 posts

239 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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stats007 said:
Cerbera 4.5 in black
Specifying what colour you want is the first mistake in Cerbera ownership, and besides, purple ones are the fastest biggrin



Seriously though, ignore colour, buy on condition and condition alone, if it's a nice colour, then that's a bonus.

Obviously you won't get an auto.

The Cerbera is the fastest of the lot (the special edition twin turbo Esprit may get close? - but you won't get one for £15k)

The M5 will be the most inconspicuous and practical.

The Jaguar is an old man car. I'm sorry, but it is.

Budget up to £15k will get you a decent car, possibly you'd get one for less and be able to have some spare to 'fettle' it with.

Outriggers are a problem, but then that's why you buy on condition. I keep mine in a heated carpeted garage, so hopefully moisture is at a minimum to prolong the lifespan of the 'metal bits'.

My mother's boyfriend (sounds odd saying that) has a Jag, and whilst it's an eminently capable car, it's far too refined to be compared to the Cerbera, and wouldn't get a second glance when driving down a busy highstreet - the Cerbera will stop everyone.

dirty boy

14,863 posts

239 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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RUSSELLM said:
Why have you got to have classic insurance ? My normal policy doesn't cost a lot, even with 'Commuting' added on.

Look out for the Nikasil issues with the Jag.
Good point, my insurance is only a smidge more than the Renault Megane family hack. Call Hagerty for a quote on one - you'll be surprised.

stats007

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531 posts

265 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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My no claims is used elsewhere and I can add one for £250 to my current classic policy.

Nikasil on the Jag was sorted by '98 - I know they're old man's cars but they're good fun and still pretty.

Still want a black Cerbera biggrin.

BLUETHUNDER

7,881 posts

290 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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I can only comment on two. I have a Lotus Turbo Esprit 2.2ltr. I have to say for a small unit,it punches well above its weight. But this is not the issue here. What is,is the driving position. Its very cramped. Large sills make it harder to get in and out of easily,and a heavy clutch pedal(heavier than the cerb) adds to discomfort. I really can only last a couple of hours,then have had enough. The cerbera on the other hand is a more comfortable place. V8,s might have slightly more room. But not that much. Also inspect early V8 Lotus,s 96-97. There were some engine issues.


XKR,s offer a comfortable drive.With nice linear power from the V8.Not as cosseted as the previous two,and the handling and steering no where near as pin sharp as the other either. More GT,than out right sports cars. They do look nice with 20inch Detroit alloys on them. Again early V8,s had engine issues with the infamous nikasil problem. Also check it has had the upgraded timing tensioners fitted.

peteA

2,762 posts

264 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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stats007 said:
Cheers Pete. A more than sensible and polite reply!

As for what I want out of it? Noise, style - something a little bit different that stands out - which is why the title of the thread just mentioned TVR & Lotus...

A question of whether head rules heart!

Edited by stats007 on Tuesday 7th April 16:45
No problem - all good cars in their own way but if noise and style are the order of the day then its got to be the cerb or esprit.

difficult to choose - each have their pro's and con's! In my opinion its a cerb all the way but their will be lotus owners stating the opposite...

maybe be best to try a few or each and see if you prefer one or the other?

There was a great looking exprit V8 turbo in autocar classifieds recently for about £13 or £14K if memory serves?

But, having said all that, buy a cerb...

QuiteQuietCerb

995 posts

253 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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all tvrs can be insured as classic cars (if its a second car and its garaged), btw get a cerby

YKB

824 posts

241 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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Cerb or Esprit? Now where's that Top Gear video biggrin

Storer

5,024 posts

245 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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I tried an XK a while back and was disappointed with it. Too heavy and bloated with a cramped interior and not great handling.
Another even bigger disappointment was the Porsche 928 S4. It seems as though as soon as you get to over 30cwts with all the safety and comfort bits added to a car the fun seems to go out of the drive.

Can you handle there always being something that needs doing (read fixing) to your car (there always will be with a TVR)? If not buy the Jag or BMW.

Torque07

191 posts

236 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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YKB said:
Cerb or Esprit? Now where's that Top Gear video biggrin
Cerbera videothumbup

Demondad

486 posts

245 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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Does it have to be 10 years old? Mine is a 2003 insured with Hagerty on 4k limited mileage classic insurance £359 garaged. If its gonna be a Cerb my advice is go see a lot, put colur aside and go for history and overall condition. I agree you can only compare the lotus, Jag is old man, BMW common as muck.

greenm

473 posts

230 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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Totally agree with above just has to be a Cerb i came from a M3 fun car but nothing compared to my beast and yes dont worry about clssic insurance for a second car on limited mileage is cheap. Look and look hard for a well loved good history and lots already spent on it. You will never stop grinning it does to me what no other car as yet has, its totally addictive you just want to keep on driving.

BCA

8,651 posts

287 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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stats007 said:
Have just sold my Aston and am looking for a V8 weekend car (so no more than 3k miles a year). Shortlist is:

Cerbera 4.5 in black
Lotus Esprit V8
E39 M5
Jaguar XKR
Cerb
M5
Lotus
Jag.

Thats the order I'd put them in, the Jag will be too similar to the Aston, the Lotus just doesnt appeal to me and the M5 is an absolutely mighty car, massively underrated. The Cerb is IMHO so far ahead of the shortlist in terms of your intended use it is laughable. Only one of the above is a true event to be in/drive/look at, and I suspect thats why you're in the Cerb forum. thumbup

Kylie

4,391 posts

287 months

Wednesday 8th April 2009
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Hi there, go with what your heart tells you. IMO you got to want a car for what it is and represents. If you want something based on best exhaust note, go with a Cerb. If you want pedigree, handling and want to enter the dark side of supercar ownership go for the flamboyant Esprit, reliability go for a German. In a race the Cerb will win against a std V8, but I bet a Sport 350 will give it a good run for its money. wink Runs and hides from the TVR mafia.........>> gone !
Make a list of the things you want from a car.

The earlier Esprit V8s did suffer liner failure which was sorted late 2000 with upgraded sealant. But don’t let that put you off. It wasnt huge numbers. These problems arguably happened from overheated engines. The key thing is to look after your cooling system and this will help. The upgraded interior was from 98 onwards which feels more functional and modern. The more powerful V8s had the recalibrated ECUs from 2002 and restyled front end ? and of course in the earlier Sport 350s from 98-2000 also. Buy the best sorted V8 you can afford that is fully stamped up. I don’t think you would get much for 15K pounds though - four wheels and a turbo perhaps wink

Happy hunting smile


Edited by Kylie on Wednesday 8th April 03:54

stats007

Original Poster:

531 posts

265 months

Wednesday 8th April 2009
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I'll recheck my insurance situation - Footman James require a TVR to be 10 years old. Added bonus of pre 2001 cars is lower RFL.

I think a decent post '98 V8 Esprit will be nearer £20k so the Cerbera is definitely the first choice. I ran one for a while and had the clutch slave cylinder go - the bonnet catches break, boot pop open and doors not unlock as well as starter issues...



dirty boy

14,863 posts

239 months

Wednesday 8th April 2009
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stats007 said:
I'll recheck my insurance situation - Footman James require a TVR to be 10 years old. Added bonus of pre 2001 cars is lower RFL.
My insurance on a 2002 (agreed value £22k) is just over £400, including 60 days euro cover with three named drivers (aged 28).


Ignore the lower RFL issue, all TVRs are classed PLG which means they're not assessed on CO2. 12 months is £185 notes IIRC biggrin

Black one does look nice BTW.

stats007

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265 months

Wednesday 8th April 2009
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Interesting that no-one has suggested a 4.2 or a Speed Six? Private ads seem to slate other engines...