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Dunit

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645 posts

234 months

Wednesday 8th April 2009
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Despite all the other events last weekend the most disturbing for me was Bernies intervieu with EJ,Cringing it may have been,But it became clear that He and Max are firm bosum buddies again.Do not ever think that these two guys are mugs or lack courage.If you have followed F1 as long as i have you would know they are two extremely clever and more to the point street fighters of the highest order. Over the last winter both their futures in the sport were being challenged from all angles. Max was still under a cloud from his NOTW episode and Bernie had gone through a very exspensive divorce but over shadowing this by far was the new found unity in FOCA.
In the past by having Ferrari on a different agenda all the other teams could be made to toe the line,But Luca threw a spanner in the works and FOCA became united
FOCA was putting pressure for greater revenue from Bernie and even had the cheek to blackball the Medals idea.
But lets be clear some teams are far stronger in FOCA than others,The are Ferrari,Renault,Bmw,Toyota and McMercedes for they are the engine suppliers.
So over the Winter we have the threat of a single engine,Knowing full well that none of the above would suffer this,Then we have the matter of KERS,Either all the teams should have it or none. And the the final nail in the coffin,DIFFUSERS.
By failing to sort the these out well before the start of the season yet another wedge is drivin into FOCA
So here we are Two races in not knowing what is legal and what results stand.Thats without all the uproar over the yellow flag incident thats got out of hand by a long way,But still another wedge to the unity.
Even on this Forum people have been at one anothers throats as to the wrongs and rights of some of the above to a quite aggresive degree.
At the end of the day i hope above all else we are all motor racing fans who want the best for our sport, Where as i think the powers that run it would not care if some of the above teams folded as long as they have a full grid of cars even powered by the same engine and just as long as they do what they are told.

touring fan

376 posts

241 months

Wednesday 8th April 2009
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Dunit said:
Despite all the other events last weekend the most disturbing for me was Bernies intervieu with EJ,Cringing it may have been,But it became clear that He and Max are firm bosum buddies again.Do not ever think that these two guys are mugs or lack courage.If you have followed F1 as long as i have you would know they are two extremely clever and more to the point street fighters of the highest order. Over the last winter both their futures in the sport were being challenged from all angles. Max was still under a cloud from his NOTW episode and Bernie had gone through a very exspensive divorce but over shadowing this by far was the new found unity in FOCA.
In the past by having Ferrari on a different agenda all the other teams could be made to toe the line,But Luca threw a spanner in the works and FOCA became united
FOCA was putting pressure for greater revenue from Bernie and even had the cheek to blackball the Medals idea.
But lets be clear some teams are far stronger in FOCA than others,The are Ferrari,Renault,Bmw,Toyota and McMercedes for they are the engine suppliers.
So over the Winter we have the threat of a single engine,Knowing full well that none of the above would suffer this,Then we have the matter of KERS,Either all the teams should have it or none. And the the final nail in the coffin,DIFFUSERS.
By failing to sort the these out well before the start of the season yet another wedge is drivin into FOCA
So here we are Two races in not knowing what is legal and what results stand.Thats without all the uproar over the yellow flag incident thats got out of hand by a long way,But still another wedge to the unity.
Even on this Forum people have been at one anothers throats as to the wrongs and rights of some of the above to a quite aggresive degree.
At the end of the day i hope above all else we are all motor racing fans who want the best for our sport, Where as i think the powers that run it would not care if some of the above teams folded as long as they have a full grid of cars even powered by the same engine and just as long as they do what they are told.
Sorry mate. I tried to read it. I really did.

But with your lack of sentence separation or spacing I just gave up....

flemke

23,495 posts

266 months

Wednesday 8th April 2009
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touring fan said:
Dunit said:
Despite all the other events last weekend the most disturbing for me was Bernie's interview with EJ. Cringing it may have been, but it became clear that he and Max are firm bosom buddies again. Do not ever think that these two guys are mugs or lack courage. If you have followed F1 as long as I have you would know they are two extremely clever and, more to the point, street fighters of the highest order. Over the last winter both their futures in the sport were being challenged from all angles. Max was still under a cloud from his NOTW episode and Bernie had gone through a very expensive divorce, but over this by far was the new found unity in FOCA.
In the past, by having Ferrari on a different agenda, all the other teams could be made to toe the line, but Luca threw a spanner in the works and FOCA became united.
FOCA was putting pressure for greater revenue from Bernie and even had the cheek to blackball the Medals idea.
But let's be clear: some teams are far stronger in FOCA than others. They are Ferrari, Renault, BMW and McMercedes, for they are the engine suppliers.
So over the winter we had the threat of a single engine - knowing full well that none of the above would suffer this. Then we had the matter of KERS: either all the teams should have it or none. Then the final nail in the coffin: DIFFUSERS.
By failing to sort these out well before the start of the season, yet another wedge was driven into FOCA.
So here we are, two races in, not knowing what is legal and what results stand. That's without all the uproar over the yellow flag incident that's got out of hand by a long way - still another wedge to the unity.
Even on this Forum people have been at one another's throats as to the wrongs and rights of some of the above, to a quite aggresive degree.
At the end of the day, I hope above all else we are all motor racing fans who want the best for our sport. I think the powers that run it would not care if some of the above teams folded, as long as they have a full grid of cars, even powered by the same engine, that do what they are told.
Sorry mate. I tried to read it. I really did.

But with your lack of sentence separation or spacing I just gave up....
How about now?

FNG

4,747 posts

253 months

Wednesday 8th April 2009
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flemke said:
touring fan said:
Dunit said:
Despite all the other events last weekend the most disturbing for me was Bernie's interview with EJ.

Cringing it may have been, but it became clear that he and Max are firm bosom buddies again. Do not ever think that these two guys are mugs or lack courage. If you have followed F1 as long as I have you would know they are two extremely clever and, more to the point, street fighters of the highest order.

Over the last winter both their futures in the sport were being challenged from all angles. Max was still under a cloud from his NOTW episode and Bernie had gone through a very expensive divorce, but over this by far was the new found unity in FOCA.

In the past, by having Ferrari on a different agenda, all the other teams could be made to toe the line, but Luca threw a spanner in the works and FOCA became united.

FOCA was putting pressure for greater revenue from Bernie and even had the cheek to blackball the Medals idea.

But let's be clear: some teams are far stronger in FOCA than others. They are Ferrari, Renault, BMW and McMercedes, for they are the engine suppliers.

So over the winter we had the threat of a single engine - knowing full well that none of the above would suffer this. Then we had the matter of KERS: either all the teams should have it or none. Then the final nail in the coffin: DIFFUSERS.

By failing to sort these out well before the start of the season, yet another wedge was driven into FOCA.

So here we are, two races in, not knowing what is legal and what results stand. That's without all the uproar over the yellow flag incident that's got out of hand by a long way - still another wedge to the unity.

Even on this Forum people have been at one another's throats as to the wrongs and rights of some of the above, to a quite aggresive degree.

At the end of the day, I hope above all else we are all motor racing fans who want the best for our sport. I think the powers that run it would not care if some of the above teams folded, as long as they have a full grid of cars, even powered by the same engine, that do what they are told.
Sorry mate. I tried to read it. I really did.

But with your lack of sentence separation or spacing I just gave up....
How about now?
I'll try.

Edit - now I've read it, I 'm glad I did. Well thought out and well constructed argument (shame about the spacing wink ).

And sadly enough, I think you're spot on.

Edited by FNG on Wednesday 8th April 20:58

motormania

1,143 posts

282 months

Thursday 9th April 2009
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It's FOTA not FOCA!

DJC

23,563 posts

265 months

Thursday 9th April 2009
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FOCA really is showing your age smile

Dunit

Original Poster:

645 posts

234 months

Thursday 9th April 2009
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How silly of me to mix the two up,Bernie was the head of FOCA back in 78 when they were at odds with the FIA and Balestere who was the main man .

Lucky for Bernie he had a very astute right hand man ,who was his main legal advisor as well . Must have come good for them for shortly after Bernie had the TV rights and the legal advisor was the head of the FIA.

As i said at the start of the posting two very clever gutsy guys who will never back down.