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JCB123

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225 months

Thursday 9th April 2009
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Just a-browsing youtube last night and saw this.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyn9Soad6Vw ....can anyone tell me how the crash at 2:20 happened?

Anyone know anything about it, where it was etc?

JCB

motormania

1,143 posts

282 months

Thursday 9th April 2009
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That was Rubens in the Jordan during F1's darkest weekend - Imola 1994, the weekend when Roland and Senna died. Rubens had clipped the curbs on the inside which launched the Jordan across the track...

JCB123

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Thursday 9th April 2009
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It just looks damned wierd....he looks like he levitates, normally a car would rotate up, bounce or at least go off the horizontal.....it's flying!

Nicholas Blair

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313 months

Thursday 9th April 2009
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He was lucky to get out of that one, amazing deacceleration. Friday parctice IIRC.

JCB123

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Thursday 9th April 2009
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Just watched some more clearer youtubes, makes a little more sense now....still looks wierd though.....why did the race go ahead after Roland died? Would that happen today do you think?

Nick M

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252 months

Thursday 9th April 2009
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JCB123 said:
Just watched some more clearer youtubes, makes a little more sense now....still looks wierd though.....why did the race go ahead after Roland died? Would that happen today do you think?
At the risk of sounding callous, why wouldn't it go ahead ?

We're simply living in different times. 1994 was a pretty crappy season with two deaths and some other major crashes (Rubens and Karl Wendlinger at Monaco). HANS hadn't yet been invented and the drivers were pretty exposed to head and neck injuries.

But go back a further 20 years still, and motor racing was even more dangerous. People accepted the risk as being part of the sport, and it was only action from the likes of Jackie Stewart that attitudes started to change in the 70's.

For better or worse, we're simply much more risk averse in today's world, which I guess is what triggered your comment about whether they would go ahead with the race today.

motormania

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Thursday 9th April 2009
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JCB123 said:
why did the race go ahead after Roland died? Would that happen today do you think?
Have you ever attended a race meeting?

Next time you do, look at the back of your ticket where it clearly states that Motorsport is dangerous!

People die in hospitals and on the road everyday, we don't stop going to hospitals or travel on roads do we, so why should a race meeting stop?

entropy

6,441 posts

232 months

Thursday 9th April 2009
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Nick M said:
JCB123 said:
Just watched some more clearer youtubes, makes a little more sense now....still looks wierd though.....why did the race go ahead after Roland died? Would that happen today do you think?
HANS hadn't yet been invented and the drivers were pretty exposed to head and neck injuries.
I watched an IMSA GTP race from the early 90s and one of the drivers used a prototype that looked rather hefty by today's comparison.

I wished I remembered that clip....

Also when I re-watched the 1991 Australian GP it looked a bit shocking seeing the marshalls happy to jump onto the race track despite the wet conditions and yellow flags waving. No way would that happen today!

JCB123

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Thursday 9th April 2009
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motormania said:
JCB123 said:
why did the race go ahead after Roland died? Would that happen today do you think?
Have you ever attended a race meeting?

Next time you do, look at the back of your ticket where it clearly states that Motorsport is dangerous!

People die in hospitals and on the road everyday, we don't stop going to hospitals or travel on roads do we, so why should a race meeting stop?
a) Yes I have, and have seen someone killed in a banger race....

b) I know...

c) Quite right

Furthermore, it was a question, I wasn't suggesting it should be (other than it is Italian law).....calm down!


My last question still stands however, do you think a race would still go ahead today if someone died on the practice or in quali'? I'm talking F1 more than motorsports not so much in the limelight.

entropy

6,441 posts

232 months

Thursday 9th April 2009
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Yes they would.

A lot of drivers have died in NASCAR and IRL over the years and show went on. Don't see why F1 would be different.

Rude-boy

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262 months

Thursday 9th April 2009
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entropy said:
Yes they would.

A lot of drivers have died in NASCAR and IRL over the years and show went on. Don't see why F1 would be different.
yes

The only question in my mind would be if there were an incident such as Kubica's which the driver didn't survive. Less than half distance would have been covered and my opinion (as someone who is in the line of fire almost every weekend) is that it would be wrong for them not to restart the race if red flagged.

Blunt I know but even with experiences I would not wish on others my attitude has, and always will be, when I sign on I’m saying please clear up the squishy bits if I get in the way and carry on.

Edited by Rude-boy on Thursday 9th April 16:44