Se7en performance levels
Discussion
Oh no. We'll be running out of cans of worms soon. I'll nip out to the shop.
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Just got back. Been to Waitrose. They sell a better quality of worm. Tinned and fresh. They don't sell half worms though...
They have boxes of frogs on offer but I didn't like the look of them.
On the tin it says.. In the real world there could be little difference. Expect a little more zip from a 16v engined Westyworm but the Caterworm has pedigree which more than makes up for any performance advantage the Westyworm may have, according to many worm charmers. Some Caterworms has a narrow cockpit but this wont matter if you are long and thin and have no legs.
I would suggest having a slither in both kinds of worm before taking the plunge. Be careful not to get cut up by a Razer or a Scimitar. Raleigh choppers best avoided too. And Blackbirds,Robins,Eagles etc. Dont waste time thinking about it as you have no brain to speak of.
There will be various worm fanciers along any second with many and varied opinions so keep your head down for a bit. Whichever end your head is.
Look back through previous threads to find lots of confusing worm related info.
Wormy.
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Just got back. Been to Waitrose. They sell a better quality of worm. Tinned and fresh. They don't sell half worms though...
They have boxes of frogs on offer but I didn't like the look of them.
On the tin it says.. In the real world there could be little difference. Expect a little more zip from a 16v engined Westyworm but the Caterworm has pedigree which more than makes up for any performance advantage the Westyworm may have, according to many worm charmers. Some Caterworms has a narrow cockpit but this wont matter if you are long and thin and have no legs.
I would suggest having a slither in both kinds of worm before taking the plunge. Be careful not to get cut up by a Razer or a Scimitar. Raleigh choppers best avoided too. And Blackbirds,Robins,Eagles etc. Dont waste time thinking about it as you have no brain to speak of.
There will be various worm fanciers along any second with many and varied opinions so keep your head down for a bit. Whichever end your head is.
Look back through previous threads to find lots of confusing worm related info.
Wormy.
I know its an old issue, but having always discounted Se7ens in the past, its all new to me, and Im finding it *really* difficult to find a path betwenn the two brands.
Part of me is unwilling to drop ten large on a car with a 1.4 Rover engine it.
Another part is very into the idea of owning a *real* Se7en.
Im just trying to get other opinions to add to mine, in order to gain maximum enjoyment of a car I plan to keep.
I will be going to Stoneleigh to try and see all the various versions out there, but in reality, its between two brands.
Part of me is unwilling to drop ten large on a car with a 1.4 Rover engine it.
Another part is very into the idea of owning a *real* Se7en.
Im just trying to get other opinions to add to mine, in order to gain maximum enjoyment of a car I plan to keep.
I will be going to Stoneleigh to try and see all the various versions out there, but in reality, its between two brands.
Well for my 2p I would go with the Caterham and later upgrade the engine.
I think they look nicer, have better residuals, feel better built.
What kind of budget are you thinking?
I think really with any car you get better value buying the right car in the first place. Will you want an LSD? Widetrack? 6 speed box? Carbon wings?
I would take a 1.4 or 1.6 with those bits rather than a 1.8vvc without.
I think they look nicer, have better residuals, feel better built.
What kind of budget are you thinking?
I think really with any car you get better value buying the right car in the first place. Will you want an LSD? Widetrack? 6 speed box? Carbon wings?
I would take a 1.4 or 1.6 with those bits rather than a 1.8vvc without.
Snake the Sniper said:
Have you seen these folks? I've not seen a kit in the flesh, but they seem to be highly regarded. £5K for the kit, then another few grand on suitable shiny bits and you're laughing.
True, no full screen option though ? I really want this car to be more road than track biased, and the Fury just annoyed me on the road.Not sure about a screen to be honest. Best bet is to give them a ring. I have seen them advise against their own cars before, if they consider a different option to be better suited to a person's needs. Even if you don't buy anything from them, they know how to set cars up. Well worth a visit with whatever you end up getting.
As a Former Westfield owner and having more recently owned two Caterhams I would suggest that if you are thinking of owning ether make, you really should think about going to Stoneleigh Kit Car Show and have a look at both. There is normally a large attendance from the owners club from both makes as well. Also think what you would like to do with the car once you own one and which club will help to offer you the best ownership experience.
Look at your budget and work out what gives you the car you want. The Caterham is always going to cost you more than the Westfield.
Personally having owned both I would opt for the Caterham. But only you know what you can afford.
The 1.4k series Caterham 7 normally had a 76 speed gear box which helped to make it a quick car. But it is starting to get to be an older model. A 2lt VX/Ford Westie will also be a quick car as well. But the handling will be very different due to the engine weights.
You could line up 5 very different Caterham 7s with different engines and suspension set ups and they would all feel very different.
Look at both and given the cash you have to spend make your choice. If money is no option it would be the Caterham R500 every time for me.
Look at your budget and work out what gives you the car you want. The Caterham is always going to cost you more than the Westfield.
Personally having owned both I would opt for the Caterham. But only you know what you can afford.
The 1.4k series Caterham 7 normally had a 76 speed gear box which helped to make it a quick car. But it is starting to get to be an older model. A 2lt VX/Ford Westie will also be a quick car as well. But the handling will be very different due to the engine weights.
You could line up 5 very different Caterham 7s with different engines and suspension set ups and they would all feel very different.
Look at both and given the cash you have to spend make your choice. If money is no option it would be the Caterham R500 every time for me.
Furyous said:
True, no full screen option though ? I really want this car to be more road than track biased, and the Fury just annoyed me on the road.
That's an interesting comment! Having run a couple of full-screened Sevens as my everyday cars, I swore to stick to aeroscreens for road use on this type of car in future!The flat glass on full screen Sevens means they generate a hell of a lot of buffeting, even if you use sidescreens (which I personally find constrict the width a bit too much), the wipers are useless on the front of the screen (and in any case just as much water whips round onto the back), and if you use the hood the visibility is awful, they're difficult to de-mist and you go deaf with the noise...
Each to their own, though!
As to engines, the big difference will be on mid-range acceleration. With 1.4 K-series, the aerodynamics will be taking their toll by the time you get to 70mph and you won't have a lot of power left to overtake or to punch out of fast corners.
The handling will be nimble with the light K-series but, as Snake said, I'd be planning to upgrade to an 1800 on throttle bodies as soon as possible if I went down that route.
Furyous said:
.... but I really dont want to have to wear a helmet ! Surely an aeroscreen dictates one ?
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You don't have to, although it is suggested. I know of many folk who just wear a pair of goggles. Although I think I look less of a tit with a helmet on. At least that way other people don't know who I am! I also live out in the sticks, so there can be a lot of bug and bees in the air in the summer. And they hurt a lot at 70+mph.....
agreed about the screen, the flat screen of a locaterfield doesnt protect much, try a fury or stylus type car with a curved windscreen, its a whole world of difference. My stylus has the lotus elan windscreen and at well above cruising speeds, its no different to something like an mx5.
antnicuk said:
agreed about the screen, the flat screen of a locaterfield doesnt protect much, try a fury or stylus type car with a curved windscreen, its a whole world of difference. My stylus has the lotus elan windscreen and at well above cruising speeds, its no different to something like an mx5.
I drove Mark Fishers Fury9r with screen, and also have a mate with a Zetex screened Fury, and its like a Noddy car with me sat in it, Im looking over the top of the screen.One reason Im considering a new build is so I can fit a lowered floor in.
Furyous said:
antnicuk said:
agreed about the screen, the flat screen of a locaterfield doesnt protect much, try a fury or stylus type car with a curved windscreen, its a whole world of difference. My stylus has the lotus elan windscreen and at well above cruising speeds, its no different to something like an mx5.
I drove Mark Fishers Fury9r with screen, and also have a mate with a Zetex screened Fury, and its like a Noddy car with me sat in it, Im looking over the top of the screen.One reason Im considering a new build is so I can fit a lowered floor in.
I'm 6'3" and in pics I've seen of me in my car, I look quite short! I would see through and not over a screen in my car, with my seats. And my seat isn't even all the way back on it's runners. As said though, having spoken to other owners about their screens, they tend to complain about buffeting, so much so that one or two of them wear one earplug just to cut out the wind noise in that ear! Might as well save the weight and hassle and just buy a helmet. Nice warm ears and a tinted visor should you wish.
Snake the Sniper said:
Furyous said:
.... but I really dont want to have to wear a helmet ! Surely an aeroscreen dictates one ?
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You don't have to, although it is suggested. I know of many folk who just wear a pair of goggles. Although I think I look less of a tit with a helmet on. At least that way other people don't know who I am! I also live out in the sticks, so there can be a lot of bug and bees in the air in the summer. And they hurt a lot at 70+mph.....
...seriously, it's not as bad as all that, and you get used to it.
Biggest problem is you go deaf with wind roar on a long run (like you've just been to a rock concert), but the same applies to Sevens with windscreens, due to the buffeting. For that reason alone, I wear a crash hat on long runs.
Edited by Sam_68 on Saturday 11th April 08:47
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