USF1 Considering Cosworth Power

[stevesingo]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74391

No doubt with some influence from MM and BE. Easier to manage if they are being helped to have Cosworth rather than a manufacturer supplying the engines.

Steve

[FourWheelDrift]

Did Cosworth provide a engine to comply with the engine development freeze or are they free to build a new one to a new spec?

[stevesingo]

Engine development was frozen (kind of) at the end of 2006, with only modifications to improve reliability allowed. So effectively Cosworth had an engine homologated for the current rules.

It has to be remembered that the scope for improving reliability within the rules has been exploited to also improve power and Renault has been allowed to catch up as they were down on power last year.

Steve

[stifler]

They will have to pull all the engines and bits that they still have out of the containers that they went into. They didn't look very damp proof to me.

Everything from the F1 project was put in thick grease and AFAIK is still there.

[deevlash]

wasnt the cossie engine in the williams the most powerful on the grid at the time it was ditched?

[Munter]

Isn't this the low cost standard engine for 2010 as discussed here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formul...

[stifler]

deevlash said:

wasnt the cossie engine in the williams the most powerful on the grid at the time it was ditched?

Yeah, it was reckoned to be. No way of truely telling though. Dyno figures were definitley impressive.

[groomi]

Not sure about most poerful but pretty sure they were the highest revving - red lining at over 20,000rpm IIRC.



Reliability was pretty poor though.

[paolow]

groomi said:

Not sure about most poerful but pretty sure they were the highest revving - red lining at over 20,000rpm IIRC.

Reliability was pretty poor though.

This is what i remember. i find it odd though - i mean - you cant just dip in and out of F1 engine development surely? do the designers just sit around on off seasons? Do they research but just not build the engines when there are no customers?

[rubystone]

Some cynics might say that this is simply a device to place USF1 back in the public eye at a time when a "private" team is having a good run. FWIW I wouldn't blame PW if this was the intention.

[stockhatcher]

I predict that the USF1 Gp car powered by Cosworth and driven by Danica Patrick will be on pole for the British GP at Donington Park in 2010.

[groomi]

stockhatcher said:

I predict that the USF1 Gp car powered by Cosworth and driven by Danica Patrick will be on pole for the British GP at Donington Park in 2010.

You'd probably get odds of 1000:1 on that, but you'd be better off putting your £5 in a Northern Rock savings account...

[stifler]

groomi said:

Not sure about most poerful but pretty sure they were the highest revving - red lining at over 20,000rpm IIRC.



Reliability was pretty poor though.

The engines were reliable. The Midland F1, or whatever it was called that week, was unreliable.

The highest rpm seen on the dyno was a good 3,000rpm more than you are quoting.

[anonymous-user]

people who over rev can be such a pain in the bum.

[Steve UK]

groomi said:

stockhatcher said:

I predict that the USF1 Gp car powered by Cosworth and driven by Danica Patrick will be on pole for the British GP at Donington Park in 2010.

You'd probably get odds of 1000:1 on that, but you'd be better off putting your £5 in a Northern Rock savings account...

ec.

What do you think the odds were for JB winning the first 2 races in 2009 in December last year?

[stifler]

johnfelstead said:

people who over rev can be such a pain in the bum.

That would be the dyno operater that I heard it from. Not the sort of bloke to bullst. He had been there a few years, his dad worked there from the DFV days.

[Hut49]

If McLaren don't get their act together I reckon you might even see a Cosworth in the MP4-24.5

[Steve UK]

stifler said:

groomi said:

Not sure about most poerful but pretty sure they were the highest revving - red lining at over 20,000rpm IIRC.



Reliability was pretty poor though.

The engines were reliable. The Midland F1, or whatever it was called that week, was unreliable.

The highest rpm seen on the dyno was a good 3,000rpm more than you are quoting.

I think you need to get your facts right, 23000+ ? plus the Midland never even ran the 2006 cossy v8

It was and still is a very competitive engine though, and more than capable of being a race winning engine should anyone use it.

[stifler]

Steve UK said:

stifler said:

groomi said:

Not sure about most poerful but pretty sure they were the highest revving - red lining at over 20,000rpm IIRC.



Reliability was pretty poor though.

The engines were reliable. The Midland F1, or whatever it was called that week, was unreliable.

The highest rpm seen on the dyno was a good 3,000rpm more than you are quoting.

I think you need to get your facts right, 23000+ ? plus the Midland never even ran the 2006 cossy v8

It was and still is a very competitive engine though, and more than capable of being a race winning engine should anyone use it.

Last year of the Jordan then? RPM figures correct. higher for the V10 (slightly). Irrelevant now as if any team were to use it they would be limited to the 18,000rpm like everyone else.

[Steve UK]

stifler said:

Steve UK said:

stifler said:

groomi said:

Not sure about most poerful but pretty sure they were the highest revving - red lining at over 20,000rpm IIRC.



Reliability was pretty poor though.

The engines were reliable. The Midland F1, or whatever it was called that week, was unreliable.

The highest rpm seen on the dyno was a good 3,000rpm more than you are quoting.

I think you need to get your facts right, 23000+ ? plus the Midland never even ran the 2006 cossy v8

It was and still is a very competitive engine though, and more than capable of being a race winning engine should anyone use it.

Last year of the Jordan then? RPM figures correct. higher for the V10 (slightly). Irrelevant now as if any team were to use it they would be limited to the 18,000rpm like everyone else.

midland/shmidland jordan/shmordan this team never had the v8.

Next year, I bet it's down to 17,000. There starting to sound a bit flat now at 18,000 though aren't they