Subject, Citizen or maybe something else........
Discussion
Earlier today I was reading Ders' little rant against HMG's plan to subsidise electric car ownership, when I got distracted....
Yes I know technically we enjoy huge freedoms in this Country but titles are important. Oh and I believe a proper bill of rights wouldn't go a miss either, to further secure and preserve those freedoms.
Personally I reckon we the people of the UK should be able to declare that we are Free People and ditch the whole notion of citizen or subject.
What do you think or maybe I should just pour myself a beer and stop worrying?
derestrictor said:
Citizen? No, you jumped up republican vermin - subject - subject of EIIR, emblazoned across the bonnet of my Continental T as I grumble through your twee little speed partnership with a phallanx of Arthurian outriders and trumpetting leaders of the Cotswold Drive bringing up the rear.
After reading this over a few times I lost all interest in the rest of your piece. Technically I probably am a subject of EIIR but if I'm honest I find the idea abhorrent and a bit silly, why should I be somebodies' subject (especially when that somebody is really no more than a glorified tourist attraction) or more importantly subject to somebody else's whims? Yes I know technically we enjoy huge freedoms in this Country but titles are important. Oh and I believe a proper bill of rights wouldn't go a miss either, to further secure and preserve those freedoms.
Personally I reckon we the people of the UK should be able to declare that we are Free People and ditch the whole notion of citizen or subject.
What do you think or maybe I should just pour myself a beer and stop worrying?
Well somebody has to be in charge. And right now I'd prefer Elizabeth R to Gordon Brown. For one thing, she doesn't have to spin and bulls
t her way to another election. There's a ruling class, and there's a bunch of upstart lefties with half-baked ideas that exceed their capabilities yet match their comprehension.
t her way to another election. There's a ruling class, and there's a bunch of upstart lefties with half-baked ideas that exceed their capabilities yet match their comprehension.interloper said:
Oh and I believe a proper bill of rights wouldn't go a miss either, to further secure and preserve those freedoms.
But... Who'd write the Bill..? If anyone, I'd much prefer HRH to do it - I'd not trust a bill of rights written by a politician at all. My stance on the Royal family is neither one way or t'other, but, I don't believe any of the politicians in the main parties have got anyone's best interests at heart - except their own. When that becomes disillusioning, it's sometimes nice to think that we do 'technically' still have a figure that is as high profile of any politician and yet is largely aside from much of b*$$*cks. (I know their role is much diluted and the current Gov ignore them for the most part, but...)
I suspect the Bentley driver may be misinformed.
Unless you were born before 1949 or born outside the UK after 1983, the chances are you're a British Citizen, and not necessarily a British Subject (as a gross generalisation, citizens have the right of abode in the UK and the right to hold a British passport, subjects can apply for a passport but have no automatic right of abode).
The subject thing is usually bought up by clueless septics who like to pretend that we're a nation of pickety-toothed old serfs, perpetually struggling under the yoke of monarchial oppression.
What they fail to realise is that, in fact, we're a nation of pickety-toothed old serfs, perpetually struggling under the yoke of parliamentary oppression.
k
interloper said:
Earlier today I was reading Ders' little rant against HMG's plan to subsidise electric car ownership, when I got distracted....
Who wouldn't be? Where can I read the full rant? derestrictor said:
Citizen? No, you jumped up republican vermin - subject - subject of EIIR, emblazoned across the bonnet of my Continental T as I grumble through your twee little speed partnership with a phallanx of Arthurian outriders and trumpetting leaders of the Cotswold Drive bringing up the rear.
The original rant is here..
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Thanks for the update Klootzak. So I'm probably a Citizen then, feels a little better already!
I'm not to keen on the incumbent government but I certainly wouldn't want them booted out in some kind of Coup. Lizzy-IIR seems like a nice old lady but I wouldn't want her in charge.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Thanks for the update Klootzak. So I'm probably a Citizen then, feels a little better already!
I'm not to keen on the incumbent government but I certainly wouldn't want them booted out in some kind of Coup. Lizzy-IIR seems like a nice old lady but I wouldn't want her in charge.
interloper said:
So I'm probably a Citizen then, feels a little better already!
Aaah so it is just the principle then... not the reality of the situation.It is not the Monarch that is trying to get us all to carry ID cards, or erect spy cameras everywhere, or give the police service powers to do to you as they please under terror laws...
Your elected government are doing that...
I like to think of the Monarch as that institution that prevents a politician from sitting in the role of head of state.
Name me another country in the world that has had such a long standing head of state, such a successful head of state and one without a personal blemish, hint of corruption of sleaze about them... think long and hard about that because that is what the British monarchy provides you....
Swilly said:
a successful head of state and one without a personal blemish, hint of corruption of sleaze about them... think long and hard about that because that is what the British monarchy provides you....
When it comes to sleaze, corruption and blemishes, the British monarchy offers centuries of world-class experience and expertise. And it's a record they'll hold on to, passing the the corruption down from inbred generation to inbred generation as long as the forelock-tugging British public continue to believe in the divine right of monarchs to rule.At least we get the chance to chuck the government out every few years.
k
klootzak said:
Swilly said:
a successful head of state and one without a personal blemish, hint of corruption of sleaze about them... think long and hard about that because that is what the British monarchy provides you....
When it comes to sleaze, corruption and blemishes, the British monarchy offers centuries of world-class experience and expertise. And it's a record they'll hold on to, passing the the corruption down from inbred generation to inbred generation as long as the forelock-tugging British public continue to believe in the divine right of monarchs to rule.At least we get the chance to chuck the government out every few years.
k
you show an amazing ignorance of society and social history.In short, the main reason the UK still has a monarchy, is because they have known that the Monarch, in truth, sits on the throne only with the blessing of the people.
When the people decide otherwise, the Monarch will no longer sit. Charles I and James II experienced this...
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