Does anyone own this book?

[Parrot of Doom]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dictionary-London-Place-Na...

I'm after the meaning of two street names from this book. All I need are the page numbers and the text. Anyone own it? I'd buy it but it will be useful for roughly 5 minutes.

[ALawson]

What are the street names? Not that I have a copy!

[melhook]

google will be your friend

[DrTre]

is that really right that amazon and one of the marketplace sellers are £125 and yet one of the other MP sellers is a fiver?

eta a fiver for used, a tenner for new.

Edited by DrTre on Saturday 18th April 00:03

[Parrot of Doom]

melhook said:

google will be your friend

No it won't.

[Parrot of Doom]

ALawson said:

What are the street names? Not that I have a copy!

Addle Street, Fetter Street, and Sherborne Lane. Its for this article which I've almost finished writing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gropec u n t_Lane - and that book is the best source I can find for those streets.

ffs stupid swear filter - just go to wikipedia and type gropec u n t lane.

Edited by Parrot of Doom on Saturday 18th April 00:32

[tubbystu]

Parrot of Doom said:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dictionary-London-Place-Na...

I'm after the meaning of two street names from this book. All I need are the page numbers and the text. Anyone own it? I'd buy it but it will be useful for roughly 5 minutes.

this street perhaps - NSFW

[bigandclever]

Flaming PH hamsters appear to have eaten my previous reply. Try again...

From 1918, Henry A Harben, A Dictionary Of London, Historical notes of streets and buildings in the City of London, including references to other relevant sources.

Addle street http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compi...
Fetter Lane http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compi...
Sherborne Lane http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compi...

[Parrot of Doom]

bigandclever said:

Flaming PH hamsters appear to have eaten my previous reply. Try again...

From 1918, Henry A Harben, A Dictionary Of London, Historical notes of streets and buildings in the City of London, including references to other relevant sources.

Addle street http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compi...
Fetter Lane http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compi...
Sherborne Lane http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compi...

Thanks, I've already referenced the Harben book above in the article I linked earlier. I was really looking for other sources, the Harben book is 1918, books of that age can often be considered slightly unreliable.

[loafer123]

From "The Streets of London" by S Fairfield, published by Macmillan in 1983 ISBN 0 333 28649 9

Addle Street - "Derived from an OE word meaning filth : a filthy or dung strewn street"
Fetter Street - doesn't exist.
Fetter Lane - "Corruption of mediaeval Fewter Lane, meaning idlers' lane."
Sherborne Lane - "This appears in the 16th century as Shireborne Lane; in the 13th it is called stteborwelane, a facaetious name for a public privvy."

[loafer123]

From The London Encyclopedia Edited by B Weinreb and C Hibbert - Published 1983 - ISBN not known.

Addle Hill - "Addle may derive from the Saxon word <adel> meaning noble." Lots more detail on surroundings and references.
Fetter Street - doesn't exist.
Fetter Lane - "The name, originally Faytor or Faiter Lane and afterwards Fewterers Lane, may be derived from the old French <Faitor>, a lawyer, whose reputation in the Middle Ages was so low that by the 14th century the word had come to mean idler. It was used by Chaucer to describe the impostors and beggars who frequented the lane. It has also been suggested that the name may come from the fetters or lane vests worn on cuirasses, since the armourers who worked for the Knights Templar had their workshops here. Stow referred to the lane as Fraitor Street, and it has also been conjectured that the designation may be a false derivation from Frater which might be "and appropriate title for a street so close to the purleius of the learned bretheren of the Law."
Sherborne Lane - "Stow thought it was named after the River Langbourn which, he said, broke up into small shews or streams here. A more recent theory is that it was named after a sttah tree which stood here : earlier versions of the name are stteborwelane (1272-3) and steburn Lane (1303)

[mybrainhurts]

Parrot of Doom said:

gropec u n t lane

Errrr...

What was that...?

[Parrot of Doom]

loafer, I know its a pain but can you give me page numbers for each entry? This is required procedure for featured article status on Wikipedia.

[loafer123]

loafer123 said:

From "The Streets of London" by S Fairfield, published by Macmillan in 1983 ISBN 0 333 28649 9

Addle Street - PG 2 - "Derived from an OE word meaning filth : a filthy or dung strewn street"
Fetter Street - doesn't exist.
Fetter Lane - PG 118 - "Corruption of mediaeval Fewter Lane, meaning idlers' lane."
Sherborne Lane - PGS 293/294 - "This appears in the 16th century as Shireborne Lane; in the 13th it is called stteborwelane, a facaetious name for a public privvy."

[loafer123]

loafer123 said:

From The London Encyclopedia Edited by B Weinreb and C Hibbert - Published 1983 - ISBN not known.

Addle Hill - PG 6 - "Addle may derive from the Saxon word <adel> meaning noble." Lots more detail on surroundings and references.
Fetter Street - doesn't exist.
Fetter Lane - PGS 275/276 - "The name, originally Faytor or Faiter Lane and afterwards Fewterers Lane, may be derived from the old French <Faitor>, a lawyer, whose reputation in the Middle Ages was so low that by the 14th century the word had come to mean idler. It was used by Chaucer to describe the impostors and beggars who frequented the lane. It has also been suggested that the name may come from the fetters or lane vests worn on cuirasses, since the armourers who worked for the Knights Templar had their workshops here. Stow referred to the lane as Fraitor Street, and it has also been conjectured that the designation may be a false derivation from Frater which might be "and appropriate title for a street so close to the purleius of the learned bretheren of the Law."
Sherborne Lane - PG 783 - "Stow thought it was named after the River Langbourn which, he said, broke up into small shews or streams here. A more recent theory is that it was named after a sttah tree which stood here : earlier versions of the name are stteborwelane (1272-3) and steburn Lane (1303)

[Parrot of Doom]

Thanks loafer, I really appreciate that. I'm just having a discussion with another Wikipedian on how best to incorporate this information, I forgot to ask...what do those books say about Gropec u n t Lane?

[Dogwatch]

Parrot of Doom said:

Thanks loafer, I really appreciate that. I'm just having a discussion with another Wikipedian on how best to incorporate this information, I forgot to ask...what do those books say about Gropec u n t Lane?

Heard of it - no idea where from, might have been an Adam Hart-Davis documentary on old London! Supposed to be where the, ahem, working girls could be found I believe.

[loafer123]

Parrot of Doom said:

Thanks loafer, I really appreciate that. I'm just having a discussion with another Wikipedian on how best to incorporate this information, I forgot to ask...what do those books say about Gropec u n t Lane?

My pleasure - as you can probably tell, I have a reasonable library on London ;-)

As far as Gropec.u.n.t Lane goes, there is nothing in either, I'm afraid.

I'll browse a few other books later, but if it isn't in the EoL, I'd be surprised to find it.

[MrV]

Parrot of Doom said:

Thanks loafer, I really appreciate that. I'm just having a discussion with another Wikipedian on how best to incorporate this information, I forgot to ask...what do those books say about Gropec u n t Lane?

Theres already quite a bit on wiki about it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grope_Lane

[tubbystu]

Dogwatch said:

Parrot of Doom said:

Thanks loafer, I really appreciate that. I'm just having a discussion with another Wikipedian on how best to incorporate this information, I forgot to ask...what do those books say about Gropec u n t Lane?

Heard of it - no idea where from, might have been an Adam Hart-Davis documentary on old London! Supposed to be where the, ahem, working girls could be found I believe.

More likely Peter Ackroyd than Adam Hart-Davis I would have thought.

Nothing in the index for his "London - The biography" though Sorry

does this help ? Talks of OED referencing it to about 1230.