Taking clients karting...
Taking clients karting...
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Steamer

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14,199 posts

244 months

Thursday 23rd April 2009
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Okay so as a sole trader I'm taking a few clients karting - its about £400 for a grandprix.

But I'm confused as to what I can claim back.

I'm Vat reg. so I assume I can put that in - but I've been told that entertainment isnt a business expense.

Can anyone shed a bit of light on that?

roadsweeper

3,790 posts

305 months

Thursday 23rd April 2009
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I'm not an accountant, but VAT certainly can't be claimed on entertainment as far as I know and what you are describing is certainly that.

One thing you should be very careful is whether you are classed as the organiser of an event and what liabilities you might face if someone was injured.

Steamer

Original Poster:

14,199 posts

244 months

Thursday 23rd April 2009
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roadsweeper said:
I'm not an accountant, but VAT certainly can't be claimed on entertainment as far as I know and what you are describing is certainly that.

One thing you should be very careful is whether you are classed as the organiser of an event and what liabilities you might face if someone was injured.
I think its fast being changed to - 'I'm going karting lads - fancy coming along?'

roadsweeper

3,790 posts

305 months

Thursday 23rd April 2009
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Steamer said:
I think its fast being changed to - 'I'm going karting lads - fancy coming along?'
hehe You do still need to be careful because legally you may still be seen as the event organiser so if I were you'd I check it out just to be sure.

Steamer

Original Poster:

14,199 posts

244 months

Thursday 23rd April 2009
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roadsweeper said:
Steamer said:
I think its fast being changed to - 'I'm going karting lads - fancy coming along?'
hehe You do still need to be careful because legally you may still be seen as the event organiser so if I were you'd I check it out just to be sure.
Okay thanks for your help on this one!

The Moose

23,709 posts

240 months

Friday 24th April 2009
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This is a thread for ERIC

Shame he's not here...

Steamer

Original Poster:

14,199 posts

244 months

Friday 24th April 2009
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The Moose said:
This is a thread for ERIC

Shame he's not here...
He answered just about all of my simple business questions in the past frown I owe him a whole bar full of virtual pints.

Thanks for reading anyway guys.

Ash 996 GT2

3,836 posts

272 months

Friday 24th April 2009
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I have only one thing to add.

When you get there remember to treat the clients with utmost respect.

When you get on track, win at all costs! driving

Edited by Ash 996 GT2 on Friday 24th April 12:31

pcourt400

103 posts

221 months

Friday 24th April 2009
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Can't comment on the VAT side of things but....

As has been suggested previously this would be considered business entertainment.

"Business entertainment means the provision of free or subsidised hospitality or entertainment. The person being entertained may be a customer, a potential customer or any other person."

As such would be caught under s577 ICTA88 and not be allowed as a deduction in computing taxable profits.

Hope that helps.

roadsweeper

3,790 posts

305 months

Friday 24th April 2009
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The Moose said:
This is a thread for ERIC

Shame he's not here...
I haven't seen him on here for a while - nothing has happened to me has it?

Steamer

Original Poster:

14,199 posts

244 months

Friday 24th April 2009
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roadsweeper said:
The Moose said:
This is a thread for ERIC

Shame he's not here...
I haven't seen him on here for a while - nothing has happened to me has it?
If it happened to you I'm sure you would remember! wink

But I'm sure Eric is fine - he's just taking a break I hope.

BigAlinEmbra

1,629 posts

243 months

Saturday 25th April 2009
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Steamer said:
roadsweeper said:
The Moose said:
This is a thread for ERIC

Shame he's not here...
I haven't seen him on here for a while - nothing has happened to me has it?
If it happened to you I'm sure you would remember! wink

But I'm sure Eric is fine - he's just taking a break I hope.
Probably fairly busy ramming accounts out for folk given that 90 odd percent of folk like to finish their financial year at the end of the tax year to keep life simple.

blackcab

1,259 posts

231 months

Saturday 25th April 2009
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roadsweeper said:
I'm not an accountant, but VAT certainly can't be claimed on entertainment as far as I know and what you are describing is certainly that.

One thing you should be very careful is whether you are classed as the organiser of an event and what liabilities you might face if someone was injured.
I have organised quite a few - every circuit makes you sign a disclaimer before you race so not sure if you need to worry about that

SLacKer

2,622 posts

238 months

Sunday 26th April 2009
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pcourt400 said:
Can't comment on the VAT side of things but....

As has been suggested previously this would be considered business entertainment.

"Business entertainment means the provision of free or subsidised hospitality or entertainment. The person being entertained may be a customer, a potential customer or any other person."

As such would be caught under s577 ICTA88 and not be allowed as a deduction in computing taxable profits.

Hope that helps.
Just become an MP and claim it was your garden patio heater......

roadsweeper

3,790 posts

305 months

Sunday 26th April 2009
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Steamer said:
roadsweeper said:
The Moose said:
This is a thread for ERIC

Shame he's not here...
I haven't seen him on here for a while - nothing has happened to me has it?
If it happened to you I'm sure you would remember! wink
paperbag See that's my problem, it's all about me. I even managed to get two references to myself in that first sentence. rolleyes