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You need to stop with these threads, P&P is over, haymarket will not bring it back and there is only one way to vote and that is with feet.
Unfortunatly haymarket only sees clicks on a website and not opinions. As long as they are seeing clicks whatever you say means jack.
Seriously give it up or move on.
Unfortunatly haymarket only sees clicks on a website and not opinions. As long as they are seeing clicks whatever you say means jack.
Seriously give it up or move on.
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It's a failing of all forums.
After a few years, people hang out in an off-topic area, which becomes pretty popular, as it's a friendly place where people can chat freely to the people they've met under more technical circumstances.
The staff/moderators/paymasters quickly put the cart in front of the horse (normally i'm a fan of RWD, but it doesn't work in this case) and they try to kill off the popular non technical section to push people into more technical areas.
What they fail to see is that off topic is the life-blood of a forum, and is what keeps things ticking over. As usual, this has failed, and has just push members (advertisement viewers...) away.
What used to be an area where anything could be asked of a huge spectrum is quickly pigeon-holed into a multitude of sections, destroying the spontenaetity of the site as a whole.
What used to be asking a question to the Vox Populi is now moved into a more tidy area that would only be frequented by people with questions, and those who have the desire to actively search them out and answer them, as opposed to polling the entire community which inevitably yields faster results.
Yet again, another forum dismisses the draw for those with the answers, in favour of endless sections with unanswered questions.
Yes, it's a great place to ask, but your customers won't stay around with the hope of answering problems.
Would you open a library where the people with the books move off the other places to enjoy them in peace?
if this is to be a technical forum, what encourages those who don't have questions, but only the answers, to stay?
One of the most popular sections has been slaughtered in the hope those will return to the tech sections, with the blind ignorance that removing the popular areas results in a cut in traffic, and the experience leaves with them. As a result, you end up with more and more unanswered questions, irate newcomers, and the old and wise talking a walk to CTF.
For what is a commercial site, payed for by advertising, it's sheer stupidity to push away the audience, but hey, what the hell do i know? i've only watched it happen before. Marketing models, Brainstorming sessions and freshly graduated management students know what they are doing,
they've seen the simulations!
After a few years, people hang out in an off-topic area, which becomes pretty popular, as it's a friendly place where people can chat freely to the people they've met under more technical circumstances.
The staff/moderators/paymasters quickly put the cart in front of the horse (normally i'm a fan of RWD, but it doesn't work in this case) and they try to kill off the popular non technical section to push people into more technical areas.
What they fail to see is that off topic is the life-blood of a forum, and is what keeps things ticking over. As usual, this has failed, and has just push members (advertisement viewers...) away.
What used to be an area where anything could be asked of a huge spectrum is quickly pigeon-holed into a multitude of sections, destroying the spontenaetity of the site as a whole.
What used to be asking a question to the Vox Populi is now moved into a more tidy area that would only be frequented by people with questions, and those who have the desire to actively search them out and answer them, as opposed to polling the entire community which inevitably yields faster results.
Yet again, another forum dismisses the draw for those with the answers, in favour of endless sections with unanswered questions.
Yes, it's a great place to ask, but your customers won't stay around with the hope of answering problems.
Would you open a library where the people with the books move off the other places to enjoy them in peace?
if this is to be a technical forum, what encourages those who don't have questions, but only the answers, to stay?
One of the most popular sections has been slaughtered in the hope those will return to the tech sections, with the blind ignorance that removing the popular areas results in a cut in traffic, and the experience leaves with them. As a result, you end up with more and more unanswered questions, irate newcomers, and the old and wise talking a walk to CTF.
For what is a commercial site, payed for by advertising, it's sheer stupidity to push away the audience, but hey, what the hell do i know? i've only watched it happen before. Marketing models, Brainstorming sessions and freshly graduated management students know what they are doing,
they've seen the simulations!
TheEnd said:
It's a failing of all forums.
For what is a commercial site, payed for by advertising, it's sheer stupidity to push away the audience, but hey, what the hell do i know? i've only watched it happen before. Marketing models, Brainstorming sessions and freshly graduated management students know what they are doing,
they've seen the simulations!
I took a little time to trim your post into what you and others have said.For what is a commercial site, payed for by advertising, it's sheer stupidity to push away the audience, but hey, what the hell do i know? i've only watched it happen before. Marketing models, Brainstorming sessions and freshly graduated management students know what they are doing,
they've seen the simulations!
Now, I have always been 70 / 30 against the changes, and I am still not sure about what they have done, I feel that the old P&P was somewhere that I liked, and it's loss is crappy to me.
However...
THE FORUMS MAKE NO MONEY FROM ADVERTISING!
The classified ads make the bulk of the money here and 'the audience' - by which I think you mean the forum dwellers, do absolutely nothing for PH as a commercial enterprise, the forums are a purely communial thing, we do not keep the site going.
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