Holset turbos
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marT350T

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948 posts

240 months

Friday 1st May 2009
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I was just wondering if anyone had heard and good / bad reports on these or had any first had experience using Holset turbos.

They seem to have a perform really well and are price very well?

The Walrus

1,857 posts

226 months

Friday 1st May 2009
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From what I remember they are OK but I thought they are normally used in the case of a very large BHP output ??

stevieturbo

17,925 posts

268 months

Friday 1st May 2009
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More popular in Scandanavia, but they are most certainly good turbos. I think they are actually based in the UK ? Or have some sort of operation here ?

I recall chatting to Andy Frost on msn ages ago, ( Red Victor ) and he uses a pair of them...partly due to the backup their local facility was giving him with development etc.

BB-Q

1,697 posts

231 months

Saturday 2nd May 2009
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Holset's official line is that their turbos will melt if used on petrol cars due to the higher temperatures.
Anyone with a basic grasp of physics knows this is complete b*****ks, as the turbine blades in a diesel situation would then be within 1-200C of failure, and that would make them very malleable at 100,000rpm!

I presume they have no interest in the aftermarket as they're doing very nicely in OEM, thank you. I'm certainly bolting an HX35 to the side of my engine (although I'm beginning to think I may need something bigger).

They're based in Huddersfield.

stevieturbo

17,925 posts

268 months

Saturday 2nd May 2009
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In a recent Ford magazine, there was a company advertising thatir "new" range of turbos here in the UK. Quite cheap...and they were offering Holset.
Damned if I can remember the name of the place though.

marT350T

Original Poster:

948 posts

240 months

Saturday 2nd May 2009
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G S racing i would think.

the HX40 turbo looks good for a 700 bhp turbo and the price compared to a garrett is really good.

stevieturbo

17,925 posts

268 months

Saturday 2nd May 2009
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marT350T said:
G S racing i would think.

the HX40 turbo looks good for a 700 bhp turbo and the price compared to a garrett is really good.
I had actually thought GB...but yes, I'm sujre you're right. I knew it was initials with a G in it.

As I say...Red Victor runs a pair, and he said Holset were very helpful. And they are very popular in Scandanavia. SO Im sure they are very capable units.

One Finnish companies offerings.

http://www.proturbo.fi/index_en.htm


Slinky

15,704 posts

270 months

Saturday 2nd May 2009
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There are indeed a pair on the Victor, running inconel exhaust wheels if I remember rightly.. (Specs on http://www.redvictor1racing.co.uk )..

BB-Q

1,697 posts

231 months

Saturday 2nd May 2009
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Yeas, but the G S Racing ones are not actually Holset, but copies. And they have no warranty. Shame, as they might have made big in roads into the aftermarket.

Mr POD

5,153 posts

213 months

Saturday 2nd May 2009
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BB-Q said:
Holset's official line is that their turbos will melt if used on petrol cars due to the higher temperatures.
Anyone with a basic grasp of physics knows this is complete b*****ks, as the turbine blades in a diesel situation would then be within 1-200C of failure, and that would make them very malleable at 100,000rpm!

I presume they have no interest in the aftermarket as they're doing very nicely in OEM, thank you. I'm certainly bolting an HX35 to the side of my engine (although I'm beginning to think I may need something bigger).

They're based in Huddersfield.


I used to work as a Manufacturing Engineer for Garrett, and the significance on 200 deg C should not be considered lightly. Variable nozzle turbo's just can't deal with petrol exhaust temps and all Garrett's Turbo's for Petrol cars have a water cooled centre housing for bearing survival.

Marf

22,907 posts

262 months

Monday 4th May 2009
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Mr POD said:
Variable nozzle turbo's just can't deal with petrol exhaust temps
How do the turbos on the 911 Turbo manage the temps?

stifler

37,069 posts

209 months

Monday 4th May 2009
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Holset turbos were used in Senna's Toleman powered by the Hart 415T engine. The engines werew suffering a lot of Turbo failures and one of the sponsers (Iveco trucks) suggested Holset as the trucks used them and very rarely had any problems. Problem solved apparently.

Mr Whippy

32,139 posts

262 months

Tuesday 5th May 2009
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Marf said:
Mr POD said:
Variable nozzle turbo's just can't deal with petrol exhaust temps
How do the turbos on the 911 Turbo manage the temps?
Probably by being stupendously expensive (for now smile )

Dave

stevieturbo

17,925 posts

268 months

Tuesday 5th May 2009
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Marf said:
Mr POD said:
Variable nozzle turbo's just can't deal with petrol exhaust temps
How do the turbos on the 911 Turbo manage the temps?
But we also dont know what temperatures the Porsche sees....

I suspect Porsche know what they are doing though.

Marf

22,907 posts

262 months

Tuesday 5th May 2009
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stevieturbo said:
Marf said:
Mr POD said:
Variable nozzle turbo's just can't deal with petrol exhaust temps
How do the turbos on the 911 Turbo manage the temps?
But we also dont know what temperatures the Porsche sees....
True......

But then.....

If its a turbocharged petrol car....

I doubt they'd.....

be much below.....

850C.....

Sorry..... multiple......'s are one of my bugbears wink

stevieturbo said:
I suspect Porsche know what they are doing though.
No doubt, and it would be interesting to know what is different materials wise in the turbo Porsche uses when compared to the VNT turbo's used in modern diesel engines.

Mr POD

5,153 posts

213 months

Tuesday 5th May 2009
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Marf said:
Mr POD said:
Variable nozzle turbo's just can't deal with petrol exhaust temps
How do the turbos on the 911 Turbo manage the temps?
The vanes on the Garrett VNT sit very close to the Turbine wheels and rotate on little ground shafts. It's these that can't cope with the exhaust temps despite the material being an Alchemistist Nightmare, and very high spec normally used only in Gas Turbines.

I'm guessing that KKK (I assume that Porsche would use a German Turbo ?) have a different more crude Variable nozzle which gets around the Garrett Patents ?

It is 9 years since I left.

Marf

22,907 posts

262 months

Tuesday 5th May 2009
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Mr POD said:
It is 9 years since I left.
Did you work for KKK?

Mr POD said:
I'm guessing that KKK (I assume that Porsche would use a German Turbo ?) have a different more crude Variable nozzle which gets around the Garrett Patents ?
No idea, I cant find anything about their construction.

Mr Whippy

32,139 posts

262 months

Tuesday 5th May 2009
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Shirley you can just look at one?

I thought it used one of those push/pull type occluding shrouds that expose more or less of the turbine wheels to the gas flow!?

Dave

stevieturbo

17,925 posts

268 months

Tuesday 5th May 2009
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Mr Whippy said:
Shirley you can just look at one?

I thought it used one of those push/pull type occluding shrouds that expose more or less of the turbine wheels to the gas flow!?

Dave
Dont call me Shirley biggrin lol



Im sure none of us have a Porsche turbo to pull out of out pockets just for a nosey.

chuntington101

5,733 posts

257 months

Wednesday 6th May 2009
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i heard most of the problems that deisels where having with VNT turbos, some are soo bad that actually service for turbo replacements, was due to them getting 'full or dirt'. im guessing this was due to carbon build up not very high temps??

anyone know what the EGTs are for a big rig? be intresting to see how close to a petrol engine they are. also you have to remember that trucks can often sit at WOT for LONG lengths of time. this would put alot more stess on the turbo than 10 seconds WOT.

Cheers

Chris.