A1/M1 link - Dissapointing policing.
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Last few times I've driven up that stretch I've been dissapointed to see something I thought the police had grown up and moved on from - a copper at the side of the motorway with a revenue generating gun. Not an issue for me personally as my van will only do 70 up the hill (on the approach to the a63 turnoff). I'm not aware of any major problems around that area as its generally quite busy so the opporinuity for excess speed is ironically very limited during the day.
A couple of times I've turned off and headed into Leeds and passed probably 10 cars that would be odds on for no insurance etc. Should we club together any buy WYP an ANPR camera as surely they must not have one if they are going back to these draconian policing methods? Clearly there really are better things they could be doing.
A couple of times I've turned off and headed into Leeds and passed probably 10 cars that would be odds on for no insurance etc. Should we club together any buy WYP an ANPR camera as surely they must not have one if they are going back to these draconian policing methods? Clearly there really are better things they could be doing.
Edited by fridaypassion on Friday 1st May 17:47
No surprise really, I use the Link road quite a lot and only rarely have I seen the Police in their motorway perches, which is odd considering that when I got off the motorway, there must be on average about 4 traffic cars patrolling the A63 and between Colton and Cross Gates.
On the other side of things, I often see the traffic cars based out of Wakefield (BMW 5 Series, BMW X5) are very keen and often have people at the side of the road around the Lofthouse Interchange area. Then again, from what I've read on here a few times about the Wakefield Police is that they're very keen on catching motorists anyway.
One extreme to the other.
On the other side of things, I often see the traffic cars based out of Wakefield (BMW 5 Series, BMW X5) are very keen and often have people at the side of the road around the Lofthouse Interchange area. Then again, from what I've read on here a few times about the Wakefield Police is that they're very keen on catching motorists anyway.
One extreme to the other.
ker smilieIsoproturon1 said:
Tsk, traffic police policing traffic. Whatever next? Disgusting.
Absolutely. Some people need to realise that enforcing speed limits is a part of their job. Forget the "something better to do" comments, it's a part of what they are paid to do so stop complaining about it.Maybe we should start complaining about the Anti-Terrorist Branch listening to people in flats, surely they must have something better to do.
EDIT: BTW I use that stretch every day and have no problem with them.
Edited by mitch78 on Friday 1st May 21:23
I should mention I have no axe to grind in terms of personal experience/points etc I have a clean license (thanks mainly to the totally predicatable way in which roads are policed. I honestly thought policing had moved on from this. Northants police officers had speed guns totally removed a couple of years ago.
Are you seriously saying that an oficer sat roadside with a speed gun is in any way more effecive at removing potentially dangerous drivers from the road than mopping up the hordes of uninsured drivers out there? Comments would be interesting following either 3 points for an 80 mph pull or being hit by an uninsured driver on that stretch of road.
Are you seriously saying that an oficer sat roadside with a speed gun is in any way more effecive at removing potentially dangerous drivers from the road than mopping up the hordes of uninsured drivers out there? Comments would be interesting following either 3 points for an 80 mph pull or being hit by an uninsured driver on that stretch of road.
fridaypassion said:
Northants police officers had speed guns totally removed a couple of years ago.
...and sly cameras installed behind road signs just as you enter small villages, at about the same time.fridaypassion said:
Are you seriously saying that an oficer sat roadside with a speed gun is in any way more effecive at removing potentially dangerous drivers from the road than mopping up the hordes of uninsured drivers out there? Comments would be interesting following either 3 points for an 80 mph pull or being hit by an uninsured driver on that stretch of road.
No I'm not saying that at all. It isn't as if they're there all the time, if they were, then yes, I'd agree they were spending too much time on that. All I'm saying is that it's part of their job. There are a lot of other things that they do, but don't complain about them trying to uphold a law that you obviously have no intention of keeping to:fridaypassion said:
I have a clean license (thanks mainly to the totally predicatable way in which roads are policed)
I seriously doubt they'd bother anyone for 80mph, but are probably going to be looking for people in battered old sheds doing nearly a ton, who are also likely to be uninsured etc.mitch78 said:
No I'm not saying that at all. It isn't as if they're there all the time, if they were, then yes, I'd agree they were spending too much time on that. All I'm saying is that it's part of their job. There are a lot of other things that they do, but don't complain about them trying to uphold a law that you obviously have no intention of keeping to:
I think your on the wrong site to be on a soapbox about speeding old chap! If you read my thread I said I had no personal axe to grind I have no points at all and the vehicle I will be in when passing them is not capable of speeding on a motorway. And my point is that they are there every time I drive past which IMO means they must be dedicating a big chunk of their time to doing speed patrols.....on a clear well sighted part of motorway when they would need about 15 seconds parked up with the ANPR in Leeds and they would have more dangerous cars and drivers off the road.FYI northants do have an extensive camera system - average speed cameras on the big A roads (where all the accidents are) Leaving officers free to crack on with doing something more productive.
fridaypassion said:
I think your on the wrong site to be on a soapbox about speeding old chap!
You've misunderstood me, I realise a lot of people on here will regularly exceed the speed limit, and that's entirely their own decision. But you can't complain about police enforcing the law, that's what they are paid to do.fridaypassion said:
If you read my thread I said I had no personal axe to grind I have no points at all and the vehicle I will be in when passing them is not capable of speeding on a motorway.
You may not have been prosecuted, (or even in with a chance of it on the M1, but it does seem like you do have an axe to grind. I'm not meaning to have a go at you, and I hope it doesn't come across like that, but that's just the way that your posts read.fridaypassion said:
And my point is that they are there every time I drive past which IMO means they must be dedicating a big chunk of their time to doing speed patrols.....on a clear well sighted part of motorway when they would need about 15 seconds parked up with the ANPR in Leeds and they would have more dangerous cars and drivers off the road.
You really can't drive past that often then, as they're hardly ever there.fridaypassion said:
FYI northants do have an extensive camera system - average speed cameras on the big A roads (where all the accidents are) Leaving officers free to crack on with doing something more productive.
And therefore removing any appropriate discretion that may have been applied by an experienced officer, and increasing the revenue generated from fines. I'd rather have people sat in cars deciding what's inappropriate use of speed personally.All I'm trying to do is give a more balanced view.
Edited by mitch78 on Saturday 2nd May 18:58
I the last week I've driven past 3 times and they have been there every time!
How do I have an axe to grind? I find it dissapointing that we are back to policing by numbers. I genuinley thought policing had moved on from having people sat roadside with speedguns. Its a genuine observation. Its of no personal relevance to me (other than seeing my income tax wasted on such activity) as these days its very easy to pick your time and place for sensibly enjoying driving at speed.
Even North Yorks with no speed cameras have a very regular presence on the a64 as I'm sure many local PHers will be aware. Are they sat there with speed guns? No ANPR is in use there too.
TBH I cant see that this apparently new policy would have much public support in general. Its the first time I've seen it in West Yorkshire for a couple of years.
How do I have an axe to grind? I find it dissapointing that we are back to policing by numbers. I genuinley thought policing had moved on from having people sat roadside with speedguns. Its a genuine observation. Its of no personal relevance to me (other than seeing my income tax wasted on such activity) as these days its very easy to pick your time and place for sensibly enjoying driving at speed.
Even North Yorks with no speed cameras have a very regular presence on the a64 as I'm sure many local PHers will be aware. Are they sat there with speed guns? No ANPR is in use there too.
TBH I cant see that this apparently new policy would have much public support in general. Its the first time I've seen it in West Yorkshire for a couple of years.
I live in Garforth S o I remember when it was being built. I seem to recall that a lot of it was re-surfaced as they made a cock up with something.
It is appaling though, right the way to where it passes Aberford.
And of course, theres that bit betwee 45 and 46 with some kind of double jump in the middle - my car nearly bottoms out on that at .75 leptons.
It is appaling though, right the way to where it passes Aberford.
And of course, theres that bit betwee 45 and 46 with some kind of double jump in the middle - my car nearly bottoms out on that at .75 leptons.
Its in both directions, just south of 46 on the corner. Seems worse heading north.
Theres been 'temporary' undulating road surface sign up since the road was new IIRC. As you pass you can see all the skid marks and chunks out of the road where people have bottome out, skidded, jumped lanes etc.
For a new bit of road (and it has been there since it opened) it is terrible quality.
Theres been 'temporary' undulating road surface sign up since the road was new IIRC. As you pass you can see all the skid marks and chunks out of the road where people have bottome out, skidded, jumped lanes etc.
For a new bit of road (and it has been there since it opened) it is terrible quality.
I was lucky enough to be involved in its construction (that doesn't make it my fault, it just means that I got to hear why it's the way it is, and I said "lucky" as it meant a nice short drive to work, rather than the 2hr journey I had been used to). What I heard was:
The concrete surface was supposed to be used for the entire length of the road to keep costs to a minimum, unfortunately it generates a huge amount of road noise, which lead to them having to use real tarmac on those sections that were deemed to be close enough to residential property to warrant the reduction in noise.
The undulating section near Temple Newsam is due to subsidence (as we can all tell). Again it was a decision that was made by the accountants. It works out far more cost effective to build it on the land as it is, and to keep repairing it as necessary, rather than sorting out the subsidence first and then building a nice level road that would stay that way.
The concrete surface was supposed to be used for the entire length of the road to keep costs to a minimum, unfortunately it generates a huge amount of road noise, which lead to them having to use real tarmac on those sections that were deemed to be close enough to residential property to warrant the reduction in noise.
The undulating section near Temple Newsam is due to subsidence (as we can all tell). Again it was a decision that was made by the accountants. It works out far more cost effective to build it on the land as it is, and to keep repairing it as necessary, rather than sorting out the subsidence first and then building a nice level road that would stay that way.
mitch78 said:
I was lucky enough to be involved in its construction (that doesn't make it my fault, it just means that I got to hear why it's the way it is, and I said "lucky" as it meant a nice short drive to work, rather than the 2hr journey I had been used to). What I heard was:
The concrete surface was supposed to be used for the entire length of the road to keep costs to a minimum, unfortunately it generates a huge amount of road noise, which lead to them having to use real tarmac on those sections that were deemed to be close enough to residential property to warrant the reduction in noise.
The undulating section near Temple Newsam is due to subsidence (as we can all tell). Again it was a decision that was made by the accountants. It works out far more cost effective to build it on the land as it is, and to keep repairing it as necessary, rather than sorting out the subsidence first and then building a nice level road that would stay that way.
Well that's thoroughly $hite really isn't it. I regularly cycle (or run if feeling energetic) from Rothwell to Temple Newsam (Via Yorkshire Water site) and the road noise spoils an otherwise tranquil spot....shame.The concrete surface was supposed to be used for the entire length of the road to keep costs to a minimum, unfortunately it generates a huge amount of road noise, which lead to them having to use real tarmac on those sections that were deemed to be close enough to residential property to warrant the reduction in noise.
The undulating section near Temple Newsam is due to subsidence (as we can all tell). Again it was a decision that was made by the accountants. It works out far more cost effective to build it on the land as it is, and to keep repairing it as necessary, rather than sorting out the subsidence first and then building a nice level road that would stay that way.
Got to admit that the recent road building in Leeds has made a significant improvement to traffic flow in and around south leeds though so not all bad. I just wish they'd get the dual carriageway adjacent Arla foods fixed. Been 1 lane for 18months now!
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