V5's and engine swap's
Discussion
If a I swap a engine in a car and tell the DVLA the engine has been swaped give them the new engine number and V5, will the new engine number be put on the new V5 ? and is there any dates mentioned.
Playing musical engine numbers so I can try and get my car past a SVA / IVA test so can get it of a Q plate.
Cheers
K.
Playing musical engine numbers so I can try and get my car past a SVA / IVA test so can get it of a Q plate.
Cheers
K.
I don't think engine numbers make that much difference, the DVLA inspectors are looking for suspension, brakes, hubs, stering etc. Changing an engine will not effect the outcome.
For example if you use the calipers, wishbones, hubs, steering arms or another element of the steering system of the donor you should be able to get an age related plate relating the donor and therefore negate the Q plate threat.
Cheers,
Tony
For example if you use the calipers, wishbones, hubs, steering arms or another element of the steering system of the donor you should be able to get an age related plate relating the donor and therefore negate the Q plate threat.
Cheers,
Tony
the_bed_wrecker said:
If a I swap a engine in a car and tell the DVLA the engine has been swaped give them the new engine number and V5, will the new engine number be put on the new V5 ? and is there any dates mentioned.
Playing musical engine numbers so I can try and get my car past a SVA / IVA test so can get it of a Q plate.
Cheers
K.
I don't know how it affects IVA but normally when you swap a motor the DVLA want evidence of it from a garage, dealer etc. This came in about a year ago, just weeks after I swapped a 6 litre behometh V8 into my hot rod, so I didn't have to deal with it.Playing musical engine numbers so I can try and get my car past a SVA / IVA test so can get it of a Q plate.
Cheers
K.
I was going to take off the Q plate, put it through a IVA test and get it re-registerd
I need two major donar parts to get a age plate, so I was going to use engine + other.
I could get another donar car and swap out the engine with the kit engine and use the donar V5 as prof of year as the engine number will be on the form from the IVA test so they got to match, probelm is need to find good engined donar and do swap.
Or I could get another donarcar, send out the V5 telling them that the donar car was now having the engine number from the one in the kit, IVA the kit with the original engine, then get a age plate that would match the reg of the donar, the good point being I can use the engine already fitted so no engine swaping and the one in the kit I know works well.
So questions are:
1)If you tell the DVLA that you have had a engine swap does it say so on the V5 and is it recorded anywhere ?
2)Do you need proof its been done ?
3) Do age related plates go from the year of manufacture or date of registration ?
Thanks again !!
I need two major donar parts to get a age plate, so I was going to use engine + other.
I could get another donar car and swap out the engine with the kit engine and use the donar V5 as prof of year as the engine number will be on the form from the IVA test so they got to match, probelm is need to find good engined donar and do swap.
Or I could get another donarcar, send out the V5 telling them that the donar car was now having the engine number from the one in the kit, IVA the kit with the original engine, then get a age plate that would match the reg of the donar, the good point being I can use the engine already fitted so no engine swaping and the one in the kit I know works well.
So questions are:
1)If you tell the DVLA that you have had a engine swap does it say so on the V5 and is it recorded anywhere ?
2)Do you need proof its been done ?
3) Do age related plates go from the year of manufacture or date of registration ?
Thanks again !!
In this months Complete Kit Car , there is an article called Mismatched Donor Engine?
It says...VOSA has previously accepted a V5 as evidence that, say, your Sierra was fitted with a Rover V8 prior to being stripped as a donor. This is no longer the case. "Where the engine used is alleged to be from the donor vehicle but was not the original engine fitted to it, the V5 will not, in isolation be considered as satisfactory evidence of the engine installation in the vehicle. Further evidence (eg photographic) will be required." This is only relevant to those seeking an age related registration.
I assume that if you send off your V5, it will be amended with the new engine number. It may be if the donor vehicle was at least manufactured with that type of engine, you would be fine, but if it wasn't then it is obvious to VOSA that it has had an engine change and they would then enforce the above ruling.
Hope this helps,
John
It says...VOSA has previously accepted a V5 as evidence that, say, your Sierra was fitted with a Rover V8 prior to being stripped as a donor. This is no longer the case. "Where the engine used is alleged to be from the donor vehicle but was not the original engine fitted to it, the V5 will not, in isolation be considered as satisfactory evidence of the engine installation in the vehicle. Further evidence (eg photographic) will be required." This is only relevant to those seeking an age related registration.
I assume that if you send off your V5, it will be amended with the new engine number. It may be if the donor vehicle was at least manufactured with that type of engine, you would be fine, but if it wasn't then it is obvious to VOSA that it has had an engine change and they would then enforce the above ruling.
Hope this helps,
John
the_bed_wrecker said:
I was going to take off the Q plate, put it through a IVA test and get it re-registerd
I need two major donar parts to get a age plate, so I was going to use engine + other.
I could get another donar car and swap out the engine with the kit engine and use the donar V5 as prof of year as the engine number will be on the form from the IVA test so they got to match, probelm is need to find good engined donar and do swap.
Or I could get another donarcar, send out the V5 telling them that the donar car was now having the engine number from the one in the kit, IVA the kit with the original engine, then get a age plate that would match the reg of the donar, the good point being I can use the engine already fitted so no engine swaping and the one in the kit I know works well.
So questions are:
1)If you tell the DVLA that you have had a engine swap does it say so on the V5 and is it recorded anywhere ?
2)Do you need proof its been done ?
3) Do age related plates go from the year of manufacture or date of registration ?
Thanks again !!
1 & 2. DVLA will want a receipt for the engine on headed paper or a written report from a garage that they have inspected the vehicle and the replacement engine is fitted. Have just had to do this on my Dakar going from a Rover 3.5 to Rover 3.9. The new engine number and cc are now in the V5.I need two major donar parts to get a age plate, so I was going to use engine + other.
I could get another donar car and swap out the engine with the kit engine and use the donar V5 as prof of year as the engine number will be on the form from the IVA test so they got to match, probelm is need to find good engined donar and do swap.
Or I could get another donarcar, send out the V5 telling them that the donar car was now having the engine number from the one in the kit, IVA the kit with the original engine, then get a age plate that would match the reg of the donar, the good point being I can use the engine already fitted so no engine swaping and the one in the kit I know works well.
So questions are:
1)If you tell the DVLA that you have had a engine swap does it say so on the V5 and is it recorded anywhere ?
2)Do you need proof its been done ?
3) Do age related plates go from the year of manufacture or date of registration ?
Thanks again !!
3. An age related plate is based on the year of manufacture/registration of the donor chassis/monocoque not the engine.
I doubt they are going to accept the engine change on the donor closely followed by you using it as the basis of your kit as this is as close to ringing a car as you can get.
You say you only have to have 2 donor parts but are missing the bit that says donor chassis plus two parts.
You say you are going to take of the plate, IVA, re-register. What chassis number will you use? If it is a kit chassis it is now on DVLA database. If you obliterate the VIN and put something else on the both DVLA and I will suspect that you are trying to register a stolen kitcar.
I'm finding it hard to understand why you are prepared to virtually rebuild the car just to get rid of a 'Q' plate.
Steve
I did just this on my car when SVA was in.
I had a Rover SDi with a 2.6 in, I sent the v5 off and explained it now had a V8 , log book came back all changed with engine number etc, sorted.
When SVA came I showed the V5 as donor and he explained the v5 was no proof of age of engine as engines can be changed (just what I had done! but he didnt know) anyway he wouldnt accept it as age of engine unless I had a manufacturers letter, rover being no longer he did accept Rimmer Brothers V8 specialist printout as proof of engine age thou
I had a Rover SDi with a 2.6 in, I sent the v5 off and explained it now had a V8 , log book came back all changed with engine number etc, sorted.
When SVA came I showed the V5 as donor and he explained the v5 was no proof of age of engine as engines can be changed (just what I had done! but he didnt know) anyway he wouldnt accept it as age of engine unless I had a manufacturers letter, rover being no longer he did accept Rimmer Brothers V8 specialist printout as proof of engine age thou
Edited by migwell on Tuesday 5th May 17:35
the_bed_wrecker said:
Hi,
Steve D, I thought you only needed the original chassis and 2 donor parts if you wanted to keep the original reg plate, all i am after is a age related plate to get rid of the awfull q plate, you got to admit they look crap on old replicas.
You had not mentioned before that you were using a donor chassis (or I missed that bit).Steve D, I thought you only needed the original chassis and 2 donor parts if you wanted to keep the original reg plate, all i am after is a age related plate to get rid of the awfull q plate, you got to admit they look crap on old replicas.
Perhaps you need to explain again what kit/vehicle you have because the chassis you have on the Q plate is known to DVLA so you won't be able to use that again.
Steve
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