Speeding Police Cars Kill 44
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www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5844-594728,00.html
Shocking stuff - 9 deaths '97-'98, 44 deaths '01-'02.
Of course, every one of those deaths will be added to the KSI stats and used as justification for more speed cameras.
>>> Edited by FastShow on Thursday 27th November 11:47
Shocking stuff - 9 deaths '97-'98, 44 deaths '01-'02.
Of course, every one of those deaths will be added to the KSI stats and used as justification for more speed cameras.
>>> Edited by FastShow on Thursday 27th November 11:47
I remember seeing a program on this subject in london. There was a video on this junction & it recorded lots of red light sequences.
Lots of Panda cars & LDV Police vans flew through the junction at enormous speeds, one very nearly hit a pedestrian.
There were a couple of Traffic cars that slowed down, checked & then proceeded.
I think I know which was the correct procedure, there's a vast difference in training between a Pandacar & Trafpol, yet no doubt they all get lumped together.
I noticed the tv program nevr mentioned the blinding difference's.
Lots of Panda cars & LDV Police vans flew through the junction at enormous speeds, one very nearly hit a pedestrian.
There were a couple of Traffic cars that slowed down, checked & then proceeded.
I think I know which was the correct procedure, there's a vast difference in training between a Pandacar & Trafpol, yet no doubt they all get lumped together.
I noticed the tv program nevr mentioned the blinding difference's.
[contoversial] Some Panda car driving is shocking. IIRC they have approximately three days training before being let loose with the blues and twos and it is no wonder there are some bad accidents. I have seen them before with incorrect lighting, signalling incorrectly or not at all and general sloppy driving habits. I have nothing against the traffic police as in my experience their driving is exemplory, its the gulf between the two that is so worrying....[/controversial]
I was nearly knocked down a few years back by a "panda" car in Edinburgh. I was using a pedestrian crossing, and the car drove straight through the red light without blues or siren. I never saw him coming and his wing mirror cliped my bum. Second car following slowed enough for the passenger to shout "Sorry" out the side window (and he didn't have lights on either). Never seen any traffic car fail to slow (or even ambulance / fire-engine for that matter). I used to live near the meadows in Edinburgh, so quite regularly saw emergency vehicle having to jump lights (toll-cross especially).
Should "plod" (as opposed to traffic) driver have to do a more stringent driving course?
Sheepy
Should "plod" (as opposed to traffic) driver have to do a more stringent driving course?
Sheepy
The first time i ever lost a freind when was in about 1982. A freind of mine was in a Mini in the Kilburn area with 2-3 of his mates and they got broadsided by TrafPol who went through a red light at about 70mph. I think everyone in the mini was killed 
But, shit happens....accidents will always happen, the roads ARE a dangerous place, but they always were.
Is the danger worth the benefits ? Absolutely, but some us will die...we just have to live with it
But, shit happens....accidents will always happen, the roads ARE a dangerous place, but they always were.
Is the danger worth the benefits ? Absolutely, but some us will die...we just have to live with it
toad_oftoadhall said:
But, shit happens....accidents will always happen, the roads ARE a dangerous place, but they always were.
Is the danger worth the benefits ? Absolutely, but some us will die...we just have to live with it
Since when was SP&L a place for rational comment?
Sorry, it won't happen again
So, about 1.25% of all people killed on the roads are killed by police cars answering emergency calls, engaged in pursuits of some kind or just being driven inappropriately.
That's an interesting statistic to mull over.
Don't know what one should do about it though. Perhaps better training for police drivers to the old Met. Pol. Class 1 standard.
That's an interesting statistic to mull over.
Don't know what one should do about it though. Perhaps better training for police drivers to the old Met. Pol. Class 1 standard.
Cooperman said:
So, about 1.25% of all people killed on the roads are killed by police cars answering emergency calls, engaged in pursuits of some kind or just being driven inappropriately.
That's an interesting statistic to mull over.
Don't know what one should do about it though. Perhaps better training for police drivers to the old Met. Pol. Class 1 standard.
I would prefer not to worry about that statistic when i am waiting for the cops to arrive...i want them to drive as fast as they can thank you very much...
craigalsop said:
Aren't many of these 44 killed, scroats that failed to stop after being pursued?
I believe that for some reason, these get counted as police "kills", implying that the scroats have no free-will...
Yes, probably, and the stats will also include pedestrians that were injured i would imagine.
I am sure that most of us know 98% of all stats are a waste of time anyway....
craigalsop said:
Aren't many of these 44 killed, scroats that failed to stop after being pursued?
I believe that for some reason, these get counted as police "kills", implying that the scroats have no free-will...
Yeah, if a car crashes while being followed by us then it's a POLAC, even if the police vehicle is 200 yards away.
So the result is that you might get a fatal POLAC without the Police car being damaged at all, or even near the incident when it occurs. Also if the stolen car in this scenario hits another car when being followed then ALL victims are considered to have been victims in a POLAC.
And the other problem is that people who drive stolen vehicles usually drive like total f
g ws hedders said:
The first time i ever lost a freind when was in about 1982. A freind of mine was in a Mini in the Kilburn area with 2-3 of his mates and they got broadsided by TrafPol who went through a red light at about 70mph. I think everyone in the mini was killed
But, shit happens....accidents will always happen, the roads ARE a dangerous place, but they always were.
Is the danger worth the benefits ? Absolutely, but some us will die...we just have to live with it
I was on duty when this RTA happened, a friend of mine was driving (if its the one im thinking of) and he was suspended for a while but not found to be at fault at all.
He wasnt Trafpol...it was a Ford Sierra Area car.
Sad all the same.
I know that this has been said lots of times before but please dont forget that these figures include instances where the slag being pursued has killed someone but because the Police were in pursuit then it gets investigated by the Police complaints commission and goes down as a Police collision which it is obviously not.
Dont believe all figures that you read.......they can/will/are manipulated.
Dont believe all figures that you read.......they can/will/are manipulated.
tonyrec said:
[quote=hedders]The first time i ever lost a freind when was in about 1982. A freind of mine was in a Mini in the Kilburn area with 2-3 of his mates and they got broadsided by TrafPol who went through a red light at about 70mph. I think everyone in the mini was killed
Its amazing how things get distorted.
The Collision happened at Sutherland Ave,W9 at the j/w Castellain Road, at about 10pm.
Police car was travelling South in Sutherland Ave on an Emercall, lights siren etc at about 70mph.
A Black cab travelling West in Castellain Road approaches the junction intending to turn Right into Sutherland Ave...sees the approaching Police car and stops at the Give Way lines.
Sadly, the Mini..also travelling West in Castellain Road, goes up the inside of the Taxicab and for some reason doesnt stop at the give way lines and drives ahead into the juction where it is hit broadside by the oncoming Police vehicle.
Not a very nice situation at all for everyone concerned and 3 of the passengers of the Mini sadly died.
Certainly makes you think though
Edited to say that my mate (who was totally exonerated), did not drive too often after that and now has a desk job.
He was an Advanced driver and was also in fact a top student at the Police Driving School at Hendon.
Hedders....sorry about your mate and it shows what a small world we live in.
>> Edited by tonyrec on Thursday 27th November 19:14
tonyrec said:
hedders said:
The first time i ever lost a freind when was in about 1982. A freind of mine was in a Mini in the Kilburn area with 2-3 of his mates and they got broadsided by TrafPol who went through a red light at about 70mph. I think everyone in the mini was killed
But, shit happens....accidents will always happen, the roads ARE a dangerous place, but they always were.
Is the danger worth the benefits ? Absolutely, but some us will die...we just have to live with it
I was on duty when this RTA happened, a friend of mine was driving (if its the one im thinking of) and he was suspended for a while but not found to be at fault at all.
He wasnt Trafpol...it was a Ford Sierra Area car.
Sad all the same.
Yup, very sad for all concerned I am sure, my memory of the accident is blurred (if i ever had the correct info at all) My freinds name was Tony Buffalino if that rings any bells, and I think one of the occupants was a black kid called Ricky.
Added cos Tony responded again
yup, thats the incident!
I feel sorry for the cop who it happened too and the way i remember it at the time, we all thought it was just a horrible thing to happen, and no one was trying to blame anyone for it...
>> Edited by hedders on Thursday 27th November 19:29
Certainly not a nice position for anyone to be in.......and it goes to show just how wrong info can be unless you can totally trust the source or you were present at the time.
You are correct about one thing...certainly no one wins in situations like that, it was a total waste of life.
You are correct about one thing...certainly no one wins in situations like that, it was a total waste of life.
, hows the lion taming coming on 
, I wouldn't have thought there's much of a future in it now days 
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