Camera grid logging number plates - good or bad?
Camera grid logging number plates - good or bad?
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DCLane

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59 posts

205 months

Friday 22nd May 2009
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As per BBC programme: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/whos_watchin...

They're going to use a grid to log number plates:

""A national network of cameras and computers automatically logging car number plates will be in place within months, the BBC has learned.

Thousands of Automatic Number Plate Recognition cameras are already operating on Britain's roads.

Police forces across England, Wales and Scotland will soon be able to share the information on one central computer.

Officers say it is a useful tool in fighting crime, but critics say the network is secretive and unregulated.

Kent's Chief Constable, Michael Fuller, commented: "We've seen an increase of some 40% of arrests since we've been using this technology. I'm very confident that we're using it properly and responsibly, and that innocent people have nothing to fear from the way we use it."

A national network of cameras and computers automatically logging car number plates will be in place within months, the BBC has learned.

Thousands of Automatic Number Plate Recognition cameras are already operating on Britain's roads. Police forces across England, Wales and Scotland will soon be able to share the information on one central computer. Officers say it is a useful tool in fighting crime, but critics say the network is secretive and unregulated.

Kent's Chief Constable, Michael Fuller, commented: "We've seen an increase of some 40% of arrests since we've been using this technology. I'm very confident that we're using it properly and responsibly, and that innocent people have nothing to fear from the way we use it."
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Not good IMHO - why would I want to be tracked all over the country? Surely it's a simple way to make sure we all behave and sent the speeding fines through the post should we stray 1mph over the average speed limit?

sinizter

3,348 posts

208 months

Friday 22nd May 2009
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Bloody hell ....

It's all getting ridiculous now ... Soon they'll want to GPS tag everyone. Or maybe they don't and will just track our phones.

mmm-five

12,014 posts

306 months

Saturday 23rd May 2009
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Kents Chief Constable Michael Fuller said:
I'm very confident that we're using it properly and responsibly, and that innocent people have nothing to fear from the way we use it.
So I can take my number plates off my car, as I'm using the car properly and in a responsible manner, and therefore the police will have nothing to fear in the way I'm not displaying my numberplate?

Edited by mmm-five on Saturday 23 May 15:38

p1esk

4,914 posts

218 months

Saturday 23rd May 2009
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mmm-five said:
Kents Chief Constable Michael Fuller said:
I'm very confident that we're using it properly and responsibly, and that innocent people have nothing to fear from the way we use it.
So I can take my number plates off my car, as I'm using the car properly and in a responsible manner, and therefore the police will have nothing to fear in the way I'm not displaying my numberplate?

Edited by mmm-five on Saturday 23 May 15:38
yes

I wish everybody would do exactly that.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

277 months

Saturday 23rd May 2009
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mmm-five said:
Kents Chief Constable Michael Fuller said:
I'm very confident that we're using it properly and responsibly, and that innocent people have nothing to fear from the way we use it.
So I can take my number plates off my car, as I'm using the car properly and in a responsible manner, and therefore the police will have nothing to fear in the way I'm not displaying my numberplate?
I like your style, but I'm approaching this from a different angle...

I'm going to carry Brunstrom's number plate on my trusty steed...smile


bakerjuk

268 posts

213 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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This is just the beginning.. This is basically the national SPEC system in its infancy, all under the guise of Anti-Terror.. But quite frankly.. How the hell would you catch a real terrorist with this?? Surely they will now use stolen plates on a bland non descript car. This is all just part of the larger scheme of road pricing and they are doing it purely against public will and via stealth.

We have little choice and no voice about anything anymore as we live in a dictatorship. "new" labour has rapidly turned into old labour.

Whos for James bond style rotating number plates?

VPower

3,598 posts

216 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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I thought Traffic Master was doing this already?
Those Blue cameras on blue poles.

They read your numberplate and then the next time they get your number they can calculate your average speed and thus determine how clear or blocked the roads are.

Their spokesperson once siad they dont store the HUGE amount of data they capture and dump it after a short time.

But this does need to be in place before they can TAX us on the miles we drive.
A clear policy of encouraging fuel efficient cars and electric cars will mean less tax from fuel.
So does 2+2=4?
I have no doubt this will be how they are planning to charge us for road usage per mile.


bakerjuk

268 posts

213 months

Thursday 28th May 2009
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Why is nobody else worried about this development? This is clearly a stealth move to introduce road pricing and is contrary to the 1.3 million people who signed a petition saying no to it. redcard

hewlett

2,186 posts

243 months

Thursday 28th May 2009
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Only when the fact that we are being tracked, monitored, watched and reported on everywhere becomes a vote losing issue, will such technologies stop being deployed. The 'it's for our own safety' line is tired and fundamentally only part of the truth. We just need to say ENOUGH and tell our politicians that the decisions they make around surveillance and the development of a big bro' society will mean that they lose votes not gain them, they should stop nannying us, we all accept that freedom has risk and many of us accept those risks/need targetted crime prevention not catch-all, preventative data gathering.

p1esk

4,914 posts

218 months

Sunday 31st May 2009
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hewlett said:
Only when the fact that we are being tracked, monitored, watched and reported on everywhere becomes a vote losing issue, will such technologies stop being deployed. The 'it's for our own safety' line is tired and fundamentally only part of the truth. We just need to say ENOUGH and tell our politicians that the decisions they make around surveillance and the development of a big bro' society will mean that they lose votes not gain them, they should stop nannying us, we all accept that freedom has risk and many of us accept those risks/need targetted crime prevention not catch-all, preventative data gathering.
I agree with you.

When I joined PistonHeads five years ago I could not have imagined how quickly we would get to where we are now with this stuff, and it seems to be advancing ever more rapidly.

It is all very well saying that it is merely a new tool to assist the police and other bodies in their fight against crime and terrorism, but to me it is changing the relationship between government (and officialdom in general) and the ordinary people, and IMHO it is not a change for the better. I think the people should reject it, and I hope they will.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

Tahiti

991 posts

269 months

Monday 1st June 2009
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When it is used at the roadside to catch uninsured drivers etc I agree with ANPR in theory - but this linked up approach is a step too far.

As has been mentioned above, a criminal (unless they are a brain dead moron) will change the ID of any vehicle used in an act of crime.

TonyToniTone

3,882 posts

271 months