How come they can race at Monaco?
How come they can race at Monaco?
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Adrian W

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15,496 posts

257 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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I think the Monaco Gp is a great spectacle, tests the drivers talents and skills to the endth degree, but I don't understand the contradiction, you have drivers saying this track and that are dangerous because the runnoffs arnt big enough or Bernie saying the facilities at some circuits are not up to his required standard, such as Silverstone. Monaco cannot meet any of the so called requirements, no runnoffs, pit lane too small, poor access.

As were waiting for it all to start, I thought I'd ask the question,

John D.

20,999 posts

238 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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Adrian W said:
I think the Monaco Gp is a great spectacle, tests the drivers talents and skills to the endth degree, but I don't understand the contradiction, you have drivers saying this track and that are dangerous because the runnoffs arnt big enough or Bernie saying the facilities at some circuits are not up to his required standard, such as Silverstone. Monaco cannot meet any of the so called requirements, no runnoffs, pit lane too small, poor access.

As were waiting for it all to start, I thought I'd ask the question,
When Burnie says the facilities are not up to standard at a track what he really means is they are not paying him enough to hold a race there wink

As for the comparitve lack of run off areas at Monaco I'm guessing the relatively low cornering speeds at Monaco makes this less of an issue, but I see your point.

Jungles

3,587 posts

250 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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Money money money...

Monaco pays well. smile

petergb

236 posts

211 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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Jungles said:
Money money money...

Monaco pays well. smile
I understood that Monaco was the only track not to pay Bernie ANYTHING!!!

AlpineWhite

2,164 posts

224 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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petergb said:
I understood that Monaco was the only track not to pay Bernie ANYTHING!!!
That was my understanding too.

Jungles

3,587 posts

250 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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Epic wrong on my part then.

So, why Monaco if not the money? Given how Ecclestone has been throwing away historic tracks, I doubt its Monaco's historic value.

AlpineWhite

2,164 posts

224 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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Probably because it's not just a historic track, it's iconic smile

Oily Nails

2,932 posts

229 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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Jungles said:
Epic wrong on my part then.

So, why Monaco if not the money? Given how Ecclestone has been throwing away historic tracks, I doubt its Monaco's historic value.
My Vote is that Bernie and Spanky have 'rainy day Tax-free stashes' in the principality..and that the Prince has numerous items of interest for the Press, of Both of them.


Northern Munkee

5,354 posts

229 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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Adrian W said:
I think the Monaco Gp is a great spectacle, tests the drivers talents and skills to the endth degree, but I don't understand the contradiction, you have drivers saying this track and that are dangerous because the runnoffs arnt big enough or Bernie saying the facilities at some circuits are not up to his required standard, such as Silverstone. Monaco cannot meet any of the so called requirements, no runnoffs, pit lane too small, poor access.

As were waiting for it all to start, I thought I'd ask the question,
Monaco is 'special' it does not meet the FIA 'standard', its too narrow, too short in length, and lap time, the pit lane is too narrow, even now the garages don't meet FIA standard.

It is given special dispensation. Hell the first weekend marked on the F1 calendar is Monaco, then after that every other GP weekend is worked out from there. It's on for what it is, its as important to F1 as Ferrari. History, glamour, business, blah, blah, etc.

Edited by Northern Munkee on Sunday 24th May 11:57

Adrian W

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257 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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Northern Munkee said:
Monaco is 'special' it does not meet the FIA 'standard', its too narrow, too short in length, and lap time, the pit lane is too narrow, even now the garages don't meet FIA standard.

It is given special dispensation. Hell the first weekend marked on the F1 calendar is Monaco, then after that every other GP weekend is worked out from there. It's on for what it is, its as important to F1 as Ferrari. History, glamour, business, blah, blah, etc.

Edited by Northern Munkee on Sunday 24th May 11:57
But then, so is the British GP, which Bernie regularly threatens to remove.

The Hypno-Toad

13,305 posts

234 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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In The Times today, its report that Prince Rainer has stated that Monaco will go wherever Ferrari go.

It doesn't matter if you are fan of either of these instiutions, they are F1. If they leave Bernie & Max's Scaletrix track will be well and truly broken and no one will want to play anymore.

elster

17,517 posts

239 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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The Hypno-Toad said:
In The Times today, its report that Prince Rainer has stated that Monaco will go wherever Ferrari go.

It doesn't matter if you are fan of either of these instiutions, they are F1. If they leave Bernie & Max's Scaletrix track will be well and truly broken and no one will want to play anymore.
How did Prince Rainer state that?

plg101

4,106 posts

239 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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Basically the rules apply to every circuit except Monaco....

siscar

6,887 posts

246 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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elster said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
In The Times today, its report that Prince Rainer has stated that Monaco will go wherever Ferrari go.

It doesn't matter if you are fan of either of these instiutions, they are F1. If they leave Bernie & Max's Scaletrix track will be well and truly broken and no one will want to play anymore.
How did Prince Rainer state that?
Must have been someone hearing voices - he's been dead for the past four years!

The Hypno-Toad

13,305 posts

234 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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elster said:
The Hypno-Toad said:
In The Times today, its report that Prince Rainer has stated that Monaco will go wherever Ferrari go.

It doesn't matter if you are fan of either of these instiutions, they are F1. If they leave Bernie & Max's Scaletrix track will be well and truly broken and no one will want to play anymore.
How did Prince Rainer state that?
Sport section, page 5, Brundles column (just below the photo of the lovelies on the boat. thumbup)

Martin Brundle wrote:
"Even Prince Albert of Monaco suggest that his prestigious event would follow the star teams, such as Ferrari, against the governing body if neccesary"

Ok if you want to be pedantic he didn't state it but that sure sounds like a shot across the bows to me. And sorry getting the wrong Prince too

Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Sunday 24th May 12:44

Fire99

9,865 posts

258 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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TVR Moneypit said:
is that libal?
No.. I think it's common knowledge. hehe

Alfanatic

9,339 posts

248 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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My guesses:

1) It's a sponsors' favourite. Drop Monaco and a lot of the money in F1 might walk away, either sponsors pulling out or just sponsoring less.

2) It's a fans' favoutite. Drop the British GP, the British fans moan. Drop the Spanish GP and the Spanish fans moan. Drop Monaco, everyone moans.

If either of those are correct I suspect it will be no. 1 since the FIA / Bernie don't seem to pay a lot of attention to moaning fans.

MiniMan64

19,367 posts

219 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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Monaco.

Indy 500.

Le Mans.

Three of the most if not the most historic motoraces in the world, they are hardly going to cancel one are they?

Adrian W

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15,496 posts

257 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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MiniMan64 said:
Monaco.

Indy 500.

Le Mans.

Three of the most if not the most historic motoraces in the world, they are hardly going to cancel one are they?
La mans is only a token of what it was.

andyps

7,819 posts

311 months

Sunday 24th May 2009
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Monaco is all about the money, even for Bernie. Whilst he might not directly receive the income from it that he does from everywhere else, the inclusion of Monaco will be regarded as increasing the amount which comes in to FOM in total, hence the reason it stays on the calendar.