On One 456 Upgrade - Opinions

[Furberger]

Currently ridding a steel 456 with an All Mountain 1 front fork with about 160mm travel. Ive got a bit of cash thats burning a hole. I was looking on the On One website and noticed the Ti version.

http://www.on-one-shop.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catal...

Its not going to be that different from the steel version I have now, but it ticks owning a Ti bike off the checklist and its had some real good reviews.


I was then looking on chain reaction and noticed the Pace RC506.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?Mod...

Very differnt frame, but also ticks owning a Pace off the checklist. Not seen any reviews but I imagine it does the business.


I've ridden full sussers before and my ridding is mixed, mainly XC, but I've thrased the 456 around in the alps before so I'm not adverse to some DH.

Does anyone have any experience of either frame?

[anonymous-user]

i have heard rumours of the welding on the pace not being too good but never ridden one and the ones i have seen looked ok so it might have just been a first batch or something. as i said the ones i saw looked no different to any other manufacturer out there, no better no worse.

two totally different frames though, i have ridden an steel on one and it was a blast, fast and lively, much like the charge duster in terms of . feedback and flex. the ti should cope with the lighter dh stuff you mention but that depends upon your riding style too, pre-jumping drops etc...

what about the 305 and some bigger forks? would seem to be the suitable compromise?

[longblackcoat]

The Ti456 is hugely better than the steel 456 (I have both). Thoroughly recommended, and well worth the cash.

[Furberger]

longblackcoat said:

The Ti456 is hugely better than the steel 456 (I have both). Thoroughly recommended, and well worth the cash.

One of the issues I have with my current 456 which would encourage me to upgrade, is its a bit vague sometimes. I think the combination of a steel frame and the extra leverage of the forks just makes the front end flex around that bit more. I'm not suer if its not the forks though. How do you compare the 2?

[longblackcoat]

The Ti 456 is a lot less vague than the steel version, and to be honest feels like a completely different bike. The flex at the bottom bracket is gone, and I suspect the same would apply with 160mm forks (though I run mine with 130mm Fox).

It;s lighter, snappier, somehow more compliant at the rear, and I just love it. I've sort of given up riding my FS bikes since getting it, which gives you an idea of how much I like it. The steel 456 has sat in the garage unloved since its Ti cousin turned up.......

[mk1fan]

160mm forks are a tad long for a 456 (Ti or steel) so you're pushing the upper limits of geometry which can't help the handling.

The Pace and the Ti ride completely differently. You will be 'beaten-up' loads more on the Pace. Both are great long travel HT's

You may want to consider the steel Dialled Bikes 'Alpine' that works best with 160mm forks.

[count duckula]

I got a 456Ti as well, ace bike, no regrets, it gets better the more abuse you can give it. I personally did not like the wheels and got some shimano XT's.

Malc

[Furberger]

mk1fan said:

160mm forks are a tad long for a 456 (Ti or steel) so you're pushing the upper limits of geometry which can't help the handling.

The Pace and the Ti ride completely differently. You will be 'beaten-up' loads more on the Pace. Both are great long travel HT's

You may want to consider the steel Dialled Bikes 'Alpine' that works best with 160mm forks.

Actually I have them wound down to about 140mm currently but they run at 160mm full extension. Why will I be beaten up more on the Pace? Thats a susser and the 456 is a hardtail. Don't get it...

[Furberger]

count duckula said:

I got a 456Ti as well, ace bike, no regrets, it gets better the more abuse you can give it. I personally did not like the wheels and got some shimano XT's.

Malc

Only hearing good things about the 456. Fairly close to getting my credit card out now!

[mk1fan]

Furberger said:

Actually I have them wound down to about 140mm currently but they run at 160mm full extension. Why will I be beaten up more on the Pace? Thats a susser and the 456 is a hardtail. Don't get it...

Sorry, I thought the Pace was the HT model, I didn't click on the link. To modify my last point - Both are great long travel bikes.

[longblackcoat]

Furberger said:

count duckula said:

I got a 456Ti as well, ace bike, no regrets, it gets better the more abuse you can give it. I personally did not like the wheels and got some shimano XT's.

Malc

Only hearing good things about the 456. Fairly close to getting my credit card out now!

Before you do, note that Brant Richards has now left On-One and has established another brand, Ragley, which will be distributed through Chain Reaction.

The Ragley Ti is, according to Brant, the logical next step from the 456 Ti, and costs £1300, so not a lot more than the 456. Designed for exactly the same market, but is, says Brant, "a bit more edgy" cos it has a slacker head angle.

Or there's the Lynskey Ridgeline, though that's more of a competitor to the Cove Hummer - classical HT, not really built for the bigger hits.

Have fun deciding!