is it really only 175bhp?
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ilikecars said:
I was wondering what people think feels faster out of the Supercharged R53 or the Turbo R56?
I think the general consensus is that the R56 feels a bit quicker when accelerating, but there's not much in it in terms of numbers. They both deliver the power in very different ways and it comes down to personal preference. As an R53 owner, I think i'd miss the supercharge whine
I went for a late R53 over an early R56 because of the noise, the handling, the looks and how easy it was to tune. Clearly a matter of opinion but although the new car is better made I just felt it had lost some of the magic. The handling didn't seem as sharp, the noise was dull and it just looked a bit of a porker in comparison.
From an engine point of view the R56 feels like it has loads more grunt at low revs but it runs out of ideas around 5k rpm. Its also much harder to get extra power from the engine. A smaller pulley at £250 fitted is an instant 20hp on an R53. Some of the American guys are running turbo conversions with a reliable 400hp such is the strength of the block.
Most R53 owners complain about the mpg but I average 37mpg on 95ron and 38.5mpg on 99ron which isn't bad for a car of its type but nowhere near as good as they R56 guys manage. I'll still be tempted if they bring out a GP'd R56 though.
From an engine point of view the R56 feels like it has loads more grunt at low revs but it runs out of ideas around 5k rpm. Its also much harder to get extra power from the engine. A smaller pulley at £250 fitted is an instant 20hp on an R53. Some of the American guys are running turbo conversions with a reliable 400hp such is the strength of the block.
Most R53 owners complain about the mpg but I average 37mpg on 95ron and 38.5mpg on 99ron which isn't bad for a car of its type but nowhere near as good as they R56 guys manage. I'll still be tempted if they bring out a GP'd R56 though.
antihero3000 said:
Most R53 owners complain about the mpg but I average 37mpg on 95ron and 38.5mpg on 99ron which isn't bad for a car of its type but nowhere near as good as they R56 guys manage. I'll still be tempted if they bring out a GP'd R56 though.
you obviously dont drive it hard enough! I averaged 30.8mpg over 40,000 miles of mixed driving and with a heavier foot (as I had in the last year) would average 26mpg.
I thought it likely that they made typically more than 175 stock. From experience turbo charged cars are easy to tune. I know about the Works conversion but Ive read mixed reviews (re the R56) suggesting its very expensive for a modest gain.
Is there no popular (and recommended) tuner who can just remap the R56 at sensible cost (£3-400ish) or is Works the way to go?
Is there no popular (and recommended) tuner who can just remap the R56 at sensible cost (£3-400ish) or is Works the way to go?
matt21 said:
antihero3000 said:
Most R53 owners complain about the mpg but I average 37mpg on 95ron and 38.5mpg on 99ron which isn't bad for a car of its type but nowhere near as good as they R56 guys manage. I'll still be tempted if they bring out a GP'd R56 though.
you obviously dont drive it hard enough! I averaged 30.8mpg over 40,000 miles of mixed driving and with a heavier foot (as I had in the last year) would average 26mpg.
In the wifes R56 MCS she gets around 36mpg over a tank. It's nearer 30 if I've had it for a few days though. Easily into the 40's on a mway run though.
fivesixseven8 said:
matt21 said:
antihero3000 said:
Most R53 owners complain about the mpg but I average 37mpg on 95ron and 38.5mpg on 99ron which isn't bad for a car of its type .....
you obviously dont drive it hard enough! I averaged 30.8mpg over 40,000 miles of mixed driving and with a heavier foot (as I had in the last year) would average 26mpg.
In the wifes R56 MCS she gets around 36mpg over a tank. It's nearer 30 if I've had it for a few days though. Easily into the 40's on a mway run though.
antihero3000 said:
Most R53 owners complain about the mpg but I average 37mpg on 95ron and 38.5mpg on 99ron which isn't bad for a car of its type but nowhere near as good as they R56 guys manage. I'll still be tempted if they bring out a GP'd R56 though.
56mph in 6th everywhere? I honestly can't get over 35mpg no matter how hard i try. Barely ever touching the loud pedal at all, still gets me 33mpg max 
Burba said:
fivesixseven8 said:
matt21 said:
antihero3000 said:
Most R53 owners complain about the mpg but I average 37mpg on 95ron and 38.5mpg on 99ron which isn't bad for a car of its type .....
you obviously dont drive it hard enough! I averaged 30.8mpg over 40,000 miles of mixed driving and with a heavier foot (as I had in the last year) would average 26mpg.
In the wifes R56 MCS she gets around 36mpg over a tank. It's nearer 30 if I've had it for a few days though. Easily into the 40's on a mway run though.
JJCW said:
antihero3000 said:
Most R53 owners complain about the mpg but I average 37mpg on 95ron and 38.5mpg on 99ron which isn't bad for a car of its type but nowhere near as good as they R56 guys manage. I'll still be tempted if they bring out a GP'd R56 though.
56mph in 6th everywhere? I honestly can't get over 35mpg no matter how hard i try. Barely ever touching the loud pedal at all, still gets me 33mpg max 10% motorway at 38mpg
10% town at 33mpg
Looking at the instant readout the economy falls off a cliff going uphill or using more than half throttle. With a couple of choice mods its quite a torquey bugger now so unless i'm on a hoon the economy is pretty impressive.
Its actually gained 2mpg with the GP parts I fitted
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