Herman Tilke circuits
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stifler said:
He should be shot
end of story - most of his circuits are woeful.unfortunately he seems to be buddies with Bernie so it is more or less a given that to get your circuit signed up by FOM, you need Tikle....
ETA
oh the other thing you need to do: pay Bernie a shedload of cash! (and not be the BRDC)
Edited by llewop on Monday 15th June 13:28
10 Pence Short said:
Too wide and lacking in interesting features. Almost always seem to be designed from a perspective of safety first, which is never conducive to good racing.
I always thought they were so wide because he thought that was how you encouraged overtaking (which patently doesn't make any sense)Mikeyboy said:
I have to say I'm starting from a place of complete ignorance here as to how the average race circuit is designed but why is Herman Tilke the man who was able to design so many circuits which in the end seem to produce some fast but pretty dull racing?
You can say the same with most other circuitsentropy said:
Mikeyboy said:
I have to say I'm starting from a place of complete ignorance here as to how the average race circuit is designed but why is Herman Tilke the man who was able to design so many circuits which in the end seem to produce some fast but pretty dull racing?
You can say the same with most other circuitsas I said I know nothing about race track design, its history or how they are designed.
german tony said:
He seems to race on the Nordschilfe so perhaps he's now got some better ideas however I don't see what's wrong with safety.
In any case his circuits provide more opportunities than, for example, Monaco does.
But Monaco has always been the exception rather than the rule. and yes I also know that overtaking has always been a bit of a myth too. its just that many of his circuits don't seem to provide much of a spectacle, perhaps because of how wide they are. They always seem a bit remote to me and the sort of circuit where the strategy is more important than getting close enough to the other driver to make him make a mistake.In any case his circuits provide more opportunities than, for example, Monaco does.
Silverstone is quite wide by some standards.
Ok, it would be nicer if the fans could get closer to the cars at Tilke circuits & I do think he could do with some competion in the market but there is a limit to what you can do on a flat piece of ground to turn it into an F1 circuit.
Perhaps new circuit builders should be obliged to put them on hills, at least that way they'd look better.
Here's Tilke's website: http://www.tilke-ac.de/index.php - some info there about the circuit in Abu Dhabi.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Tilke Wikipedi entry in German. Note the racing expereince on the Nordschliefe
Ok, it would be nicer if the fans could get closer to the cars at Tilke circuits & I do think he could do with some competion in the market but there is a limit to what you can do on a flat piece of ground to turn it into an F1 circuit.
Perhaps new circuit builders should be obliged to put them on hills, at least that way they'd look better.
Here's Tilke's website: http://www.tilke-ac.de/index.php - some info there about the circuit in Abu Dhabi.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Tilke Wikipedi entry in German. Note the racing expereince on the Nordschliefe
Mikeyboy said:
entropy said:
Mikeyboy said:
I have to say I'm starting from a place of complete ignorance here as to how the average race circuit is designed but why is Herman Tilke the man who was able to design so many circuits which in the end seem to produce some fast but pretty dull racing?
You can say the same with most other circuitsas I said I know nothing about race track design, its history or how they are designed.
Today you have to deal with a tonne of bureaucracy: land ownership (Tilke said he had to fight for as much sq metre he could get at Austria/A1 Ring and Hockenheim), enviro-mentalists, NIMBYs, safety run-off, etc etc.
The major gripe with Tilke is that he builds identi-kit tracks as if his CAD package was akin to a Scaletrix set: long straight-hairpin, high speed esses
Saying that, Hugenholtz had a similar pattern with Jarama and Zandvoort but at least there was thought into using the contours for corners.
Edited by entropy on Monday 15th June 16:26
Full list of circuits Tilke has worked on:-
F1 circuits - Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Barcelona, Fuji, Hockenheim, Istanbul, Nürbergring, Sepang, Shanghai
F1 test circuits - Paul Ricard, Circuito les Coves, La Ciudad del Motor de Aragón
Former F1 circuits - A1-Ring & Zandvoort
Potential F1 circuit - El Espacio Del Motor, Pinto (Madrid)
+ Sachsenring & um, Kazakstan Motor City.
F1 circuits - Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Barcelona, Fuji, Hockenheim, Istanbul, Nürbergring, Sepang, Shanghai
F1 test circuits - Paul Ricard, Circuito les Coves, La Ciudad del Motor de Aragón
Former F1 circuits - A1-Ring & Zandvoort
Potential F1 circuit - El Espacio Del Motor, Pinto (Madrid)
+ Sachsenring & um, Kazakstan Motor City.
german tony said:
Full list of circuits Tilke has worked on:-
F1 circuits - Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Barcelona, Fuji, Hockenheim, Istanbul, Nürbergring, Sepang, Shanghai
F1 test circuits - Paul Ricard, Circuito les Coves, La Ciudad del Motor de Aragón
Former F1 circuits - A1-Ring & Zandvoort
Potential F1 circuit - El Espacio Del Motor, Pinto (Madrid)
+ Sachsenring & um, Kazakstan Motor City.
The all scream bland to me. F1 circuits - Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Barcelona, Fuji, Hockenheim, Istanbul, Nürbergring, Sepang, Shanghai
F1 test circuits - Paul Ricard, Circuito les Coves, La Ciudad del Motor de Aragón
Former F1 circuits - A1-Ring & Zandvoort
Potential F1 circuit - El Espacio Del Motor, Pinto (Madrid)
+ Sachsenring & um, Kazakstan Motor City.
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