360 all year round driving?
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Im in the process of choosing between a 360 and a 996 turbo. My Ferrari salesman said they are very useable on a daily basis as a number of customers are finding, but the Porsche salesman is saying that you would be mad to use one every day due to their fragile nature. I know both the guys personally and know that neither of them would try and bullsh*t me just to get the sale, but im inclined to try the 360 as a day to day car.
Mudfish. Nothing wrong with running your RARI all year round provided you are prepared to accept that your annual running costs are likely to be higher and your residuals will dip the more miles you clock up. I have a second car because I find there are times when driving the RARI is just not appropriate (eg. 150 miles round trip to work and back every day). Running costs, likelihood of vandalism and too much attention (jealously) are what prevent me using the beast every day. Oh and a 100 decibels plus Tubi doesn't always sit too well with some people.
well I always think that a ferrari is best enjoyed as a fine wine, a little and often!
To use it everyday rather defeats the special nature of the car. Its possible to use it everyday but the Porsche is simply a more durable car, interior and bodywise.
There is so little pleasure in driving in the rain and fog anyway and the F car HATES salt on the road, all the aluminium comp oxidise ect.
If well used the F car shows its age and value will drop accordingly.
Just look at a 996 turbo with say 40K miles chances are you would find it difficut to see a bad example, with F cars the opposite applies
To use it everyday rather defeats the special nature of the car. Its possible to use it everyday but the Porsche is simply a more durable car, interior and bodywise.
There is so little pleasure in driving in the rain and fog anyway and the F car HATES salt on the road, all the aluminium comp oxidise ect.
If well used the F car shows its age and value will drop accordingly.
Just look at a 996 turbo with say 40K miles chances are you would find it difficut to see a bad example, with F cars the opposite applies
I had a 360 for two years and used it pretty much everyday, come rain or shine clocked just over 25K miles and the car handled it no problem at all - however all in it cost me around £60K to do that - I'm currently driving a 996 Turbo and hoping not to get hit quite so hard on residuals for using the car, but as Bertie says - Use the car that's what they're meant for!
Whilst not in the same league as some other Ferrari owners, I would say that a Ferrari will always be better as a 2nd car.
It's not just down to reliability or residuals. A Ferrari requires effort to get the best from it, and if you're just trying to get to work this can be a pain. Some days you just want to do it anyway!
You are far better to have a normal car for everyday use, plus a Ferrari for High Days and holidays.
It's not so much down to whether the car can handle it, can you?
It's not just down to reliability or residuals. A Ferrari requires effort to get the best from it, and if you're just trying to get to work this can be a pain. Some days you just want to do it anyway!
You are far better to have a normal car for everyday use, plus a Ferrari for High Days and holidays.
It's not so much down to whether the car can handle it, can you?
Have to say I agree with the above two posts. Sometimes you just want to get from A to B, with a minimum of fuss. This occurred to me recently when heading for Heathrow at 05.30 on a cold, wet & murky winter morning, in a 911 with rock hard suspension and more power than grip. Sometimes you just don't want the bastard communicating with you through the seat of your pants and the steering wheel. You just want to engage ponce-o-tronic, gay assist and sleepmatic and have the car wake you up when you've arrived.
I think it depends also how much money you want to throw at it.
If you are in a position to keep a newish car for say 2 years, use it everyday lose a fortune and then let another buyer deal with all the problems as a result of that thats fine!
If you want to keep the car though, thats a different story
If you are in a position to keep a newish car for say 2 years, use it everyday lose a fortune and then let another buyer deal with all the problems as a result of that thats fine!
If you want to keep the car though, thats a different story
355f said:
If you are in a position to keep a newish car for say 2 years, use it everyday lose a fortune and then let another buyer deal with all the problems as a result of that thats fine!
If you want to keep the car though, thats a different story
What problems? Why should using it result in problems?
I can see that not using it results in problems, ask any service guy.
Like I said before, I can easily understand why you might prefer to take a more relaxing option in very bad wheather, hence I'm in the Audi today.
But I just don't agree that using them in the wet or cold will cause problems, and there is no reason not to use it every day if you want to. They're just a car!!! Nothing is that precious!
But I just don't agree that using them in the wet or cold will cause problems, and there is no reason not to use it every day if you want to. They're just a car!!! Nothing is that precious!
bertie said:
If you are in a position to keep a newish car for say 2 years, use it everyday lose a fortune and then let another buyer deal with all the problems as a result of that thats fine!
If you want to keep the car though, thats a different story
well yes, of course not using the car at all results in problems we all know that. If one uses the car for 3K miles per year with even spread of use one cannot describe that as being lack of use.
All I can say is look underneath say a 99 360 thats been well used in wintermonths also and the aluminium components have begun to degrade badly. The Ferrari is just not built as well.
A porsche with similar conditions would look as new.
Either way, looking at the different ownership costs of the two cars if they are well used; We already have one contributor that maintains it cost a total of 60K in 2 years in total costs and lets face it not many people can suffer that or intend want to even if they have the money.
What problems? Why should using it result in problems?
I can see that not using it results in problems, ask any service guy.
charlie360 said:
I had a 360 for two years and used it pretty much everyday, come rain or shine clocked just over 25K miles and the car handled it no problem at all - however all in it cost me around £60K to do that but as Bertie says - Use the car that's what they're meant for!
Surely you didn't loose £60k on it in 2 years????
That'd mean you got circa £50k for a 2 year old 25k miles car.
Chaps have to agree with 355F. If you have got the dosh to throw at it, then there is no reason why you can't drive it every day. However the fact remains that it will cost you more in terms of annual running costs and residual value. I am not saying RARI's are unreliable, they just cost more to run than their German counterparts. I tend to use mine at weekends only. I would not drive it in bad weather as I don't get the same driving pleasure.
Thanks for all your comments so far. I do on average around 5-6k miles per year in my M3 and wouldn't expect to do anymore in a Fezza.
I understand the handling issues in obvious bad weather/road conditions, just wondered whether I could use it on occassion over the winter months? without causing problems either mechanically or to the bodywork. Comments so far suggest Fezza's are not hardwearing to the elements.
Do I just get out the cleaners etc. after taking it out over the winter?
I understand the handling issues in obvious bad weather/road conditions, just wondered whether I could use it on occassion over the winter months? without causing problems either mechanically or to the bodywork. Comments so far suggest Fezza's are not hardwearing to the elements.
Do I just get out the cleaners etc. after taking it out over the winter?
mudfish said:
Thanks for all your comments so far. I do on average around 5-6k miles per year in my M3 and wouldn't expect to do anymore in a Fezza..
5-6K miles a year is not a lot, and would be covered by an average classic policy. I do 3-4K miles a year with just occasional use.
mudfish said:
I understand the handling issues in obvious bad weather/road conditions, just wondered whether I could use it on occassion over the winter months? without causing problems either mechanically or to the bodywork. Comments so far suggest Fezza's are not hardwearing to the elements.
Like many here I use my cars year round. It would drive me nuts not to be able to drive them at least once every week or two. Aluminium does oxidise on exposed surfaces no doubt, but IIRC it isn't harmful unless it corrodes an earth wire. If that bothers you, get the exposed bits dinoled (or whatever the hell it's called).
>> Edited by 456mgt on Wednesday 10th December 17:15
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