Electrician help with garage supply.
Discussion
My garage is attatched to the house & currently takes its elec from the back of the socket in the lounge (which is already loaded with the tv, dvd etc). I have a redundant breaker which used to run an immersion heater, can I use this supply for sockets & lights or would this not comply with the regs?
Plotloss said:
Its a garage, whatever happens you'll need a spark.
Garages, outbuildings and wet areas are all notifiable.
Attached garages are not classed as special locations so the same rules apply as to your living room, for example. The work the OP describes, however, involves the installation of a new circuit which is notifiable so he will still need an approved domestic installer.Garages, outbuildings and wet areas are all notifiable.
OP - the work you describe would be okay provided it is done correctly.
Dave - qualified spark.
Edited by Ganglandboss on Friday 19th June 10:11
Duke Thrust said:
My understanding of the regs is that you can do the work providing it's certified afterwards by a suitably qualified person.
Happy to be corrected though!
Notifiable works need building control approval; this can be acheived two ways:Happy to be corrected though!
1. Apply to building control for approval - first you have to apply before you carry out the work. Once you have completed the work, you must have it inspectrd by building control before plastering up or refitting floors etc. that conceal any wiring. After this and assuming they are happy, you can plaster up and have to provide a completion certificates. To sign off the certificate you must satisfy building control that the person signing it is competent. They are not going to accept anything other than a certificate completed by a qualified spark or approved domestic installer. If you do it this way, you will have to shell out twice - once to building control and once to your spark.
2. Get an approved domestic installer to do it. They will do the work and provide 2 certificates - one for you and one for building control.
An approved domestic installer can only sign off his own work (or his firm's). You could pay an approved domestic installer to sign off the work as his own but this is illegal. Nobody with half a brain would even consider doing this for someone.
Edited by Ganglandboss on Friday 19th June 18:51
If you`re confident do it yourself, who`s going to know ?
use the old style cabling if you`ve got any I think it was the green and yellow earth and that will pre-date the new cabling colour green earth making it look like an older installation if and when you come to sell the house.
Last house I sold the buyer insisted on an electrical certification for the house ( ca. 3 yrs ago ), some bloke in the pub told him it was the law.
Paid £250 for a survey and subsequent upgrades to electrical the system.
1) shower feed cable crossed another cable on its route from the fusebox to the shower, potential heat spot and cable needed to be re-routed....ok
2) Hot and cold pipes to sinks in bathrooms were not earthed across to each other, they fitted earthing clamps across them...ok
Except they left them loose and dangling, needed to tighten them up myself to take the 25mm of slack they`d left in them.
The work was signed off by the installer and then signed off as checked by another electrician............so it must have been safe
use the old style cabling if you`ve got any I think it was the green and yellow earth and that will pre-date the new cabling colour green earth making it look like an older installation if and when you come to sell the house.
Last house I sold the buyer insisted on an electrical certification for the house ( ca. 3 yrs ago ), some bloke in the pub told him it was the law.
Paid £250 for a survey and subsequent upgrades to electrical the system.
1) shower feed cable crossed another cable on its route from the fusebox to the shower, potential heat spot and cable needed to be re-routed....ok
2) Hot and cold pipes to sinks in bathrooms were not earthed across to each other, they fitted earthing clamps across them...ok
Except they left them loose and dangling, needed to tighten them up myself to take the 25mm of slack they`d left in them.
The work was signed off by the installer and then signed off as checked by another electrician............so it must have been safe
Pobolycwm said:
use the old style cabling if you`ve got any I think it was the green and yellow earth and that will pre-date the new cabling colour green earth making it look like an older installation if and when you come to sell the house.
You can do it but you have to let building control know, a sample taken from google:
Part P was introduced in January 2005, it is a part of the building regulations series. Part P covers electrical installations and the requirements as set out within part P. It is enforceable in the same way as any of the other building regulations and the body who police it, at local level is your building control office. Building regulation Part's range from Part A (structure) to Part P (electrical)
So what stops you just wiring your own electric's? Nothing does until you come to sell your property. You could phone your building control office before you start your rewire and inform them of your intent and request building control to visit and they will.
Well at least they will charge you (£350 at my local building control) and then send out an electrician who is registered with one of the Part P self certification schemes. They will inspect your work and either pass it and issue a certificate or fail it and then charge you to come out and re test after the non compliance has been sorted out.
Part P was introduced in January 2005, it is a part of the building regulations series. Part P covers electrical installations and the requirements as set out within part P. It is enforceable in the same way as any of the other building regulations and the body who police it, at local level is your building control office. Building regulation Part's range from Part A (structure) to Part P (electrical)
So what stops you just wiring your own electric's? Nothing does until you come to sell your property. You could phone your building control office before you start your rewire and inform them of your intent and request building control to visit and they will.
Well at least they will charge you (£350 at my local building control) and then send out an electrician who is registered with one of the Part P self certification schemes. They will inspect your work and either pass it and issue a certificate or fail it and then charge you to come out and re test after the non compliance has been sorted out.
Ganglandboss said:
Ignore this rubbish! ^^^^^^^
RedLeicester said:
Duke Thrust said:
My understanding of the regs is that you can do the work providing it's certified afterwards by a suitably qualified person.
Happy to be corrected though!
Pitiable fool.Happy to be corrected though!
Buy such a pity they are such obnoxious condescending toerags though.
bertelli_1 said:
My garage is attatched to the house & currently takes its elec from the back of the socket in the lounge (which is already loaded with the tv, dvd etc). I have a redundant breaker which used to run an immersion heater, can I use this supply for sockets & lights or would this not comply with the regs?
Oh come on, am I the only one to spot that? What do I win?andy43 said:
bertelli_1 said:
My garage is attatched to the house & currently takes its elec from the back of the socket in the lounge (which is already loaded with the tv, dvd etc). I have a redundant breaker which used to run an immersion heater, can I use this supply for sockets & lights or would this not comply with the regs?
Oh come on, am I the only one to spot that? What do I win?
King Herald said:
Ganglandboss said:
Ignore this rubbish! ^^^^^^^
RedLeicester said:
Duke Thrust said:
My understanding of the regs is that you can do the work providing it's certified afterwards by a suitably qualified person.
Happy to be corrected though!
Pitiable fool.Happy to be corrected though!
Buy such a pity they are such obnoxious condescending toerags though.
mickk said:
King Herald said:
Ganglandboss said:
Ignore this rubbish! ^^^^^^^
RedLeicester said:
Duke Thrust said:
My understanding of the regs is that you can do the work providing it's certified afterwards by a suitably qualified person.
Happy to be corrected though!
Pitiable fool.Happy to be corrected though!
Buy such a pity they are such obnoxious condescending toerags though.
ks (although well meaning)on a subject they clearly know fk all about.Electricity is dangerous, hence the reason we have BS 7671. If someone posts potentially dangerous crap I will be blunt in my response, especially when that post goes against previously posted comments by people that do know what they are talking about.
Ganglandboss said:
mickk said:
King Herald said:
Ganglandboss said:
Ignore this rubbish! ^^^^^^^
RedLeicester said:
Duke Thrust said:
My understanding of the regs is that you can do the work providing it's certified afterwards by a suitably qualified person.
Happy to be corrected though!
Pitiable fool.Happy to be corrected though!
Buy such a pity they are such obnoxious condescending toerags though.
ks (although well meaning)on a subject they clearly know fk all about.Electricity is dangerous, hence the reason we have BS 7671. If someone posts potentially dangerous crap I will be blunt in my response, especially when that post goes against previously posted comments by people that do know what they are talking about.
King Herald said:
Ganglandboss said:
Ignore this rubbish! ^^^^^^^
RedLeicester said:
Duke Thrust said:
My understanding of the regs is that you can do the work providing it's certified afterwards by a suitably qualified person.
Happy to be corrected though!
Pitiable fool.Happy to be corrected though!
Buy such a pity they are such obnoxious condescending toerags though.
Ganglandboss said:
My thoughts too. Somebody has asked a question, I provided a sensible answer, which I am qualified to give, and then somebody has come along and posted a load of bks (although well meaning)on a subject they clearly know fk all about.
Electricity is dangerous, hence the reason we have BS 7671. If someone posts potentially dangerous crap I will be blunt in my response, especially when that post goes against previously posted comments by people that do know what they are talking about.
You have indeed responed with a quite correct and illuminating answer, thereafter the thread has descended into in-japery and the usual silliness PH is know for. Shame that the very same PH is now incapable of spotting such things and assumes it's nothing but abuse. No wonder I seldom bother popping in.ks (although well meaning)on a subject they clearly know fk all about.Electricity is dangerous, hence the reason we have BS 7671. If someone posts potentially dangerous crap I will be blunt in my response, especially when that post goes against previously posted comments by people that do know what they are talking about.
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