fuel temperature
fuel temperature
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jesfirth

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1,743 posts

272 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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i think my engine struggles with vapourisation when very hot starting on a very hot day.
The fuel pipes are all lagged. I slipped a thermometer into the lagging of the reurn pipe form the fuel rail and it was 110 degrees! is this normal?

I also tested the air temp at the top of the fuel tank and it was 95 degrees. Again is this normal.

TIA

Jes

spitfire4v8

4,025 posts

211 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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One of the reasons people often see extra fuel charged for when I'm mapping cars isn't because i've used it all up, but because i have to introduce fresh cold fuel into the tank to keep it's temperature down to sensible levels. TVR give you a tank mounted inside the boot and then doubly insulated with foam and carpet, the temp is only going to get higher. If you have air con you can use this to cool the fuel on it's return to the tank. If you haven't got air con then you could pass the return fuel through a cooler like an oil cooler mounted in some fast moving air, but essentially it's going to get pretty hot whatever you do.

jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

242 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Hasn't the Cerb got a fuel cooler, mounted just above the steering rack?

spitfire4v8

4,025 posts

211 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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yes, cooled by the air conditioning

Olly

2,174 posts

314 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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spitfire4v8 said:
yes, cooled by the air conditioning
So your stuffed if your car doesn't have a/c ! tongue out

TT Tim

4,168 posts

277 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Would an inline 12v fan circulating fresh (cool) air (via ducting) be of any use?

I had considered doing this but ducted towards the troublesome starter motor.

I haven't personally experienced vapour locking since my Triumph Spitfire days where the twin SUs are mounted directly above the exhaust manifold, a real selling point of this set up was that when a bit of crap gets under the valve going into the float chamber, it overflows pumping fuel over the hot manifold! eek And let's not even get onto Waxstat jets!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry not to be of more help Jes. frown

Tim

TT Tim

4,168 posts

277 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Jes, if you get to the point that you want to trailer the car upto Jools to get him to have a look - let me know m8.

Tim

jesfirth

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1,743 posts

272 months

Wednesday 24th June 2009
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Tim,

Thanks - I have been playing with it this afternoon - it was very hot and I ran around picking up dropping off kids etc. It always restarted although it did it's usual backfire a couple of times when trying to fire up. I was delibrately provoking it by not using the aircon to see if I could make the problem occur and then cure it.

I had one instance where it pinked badly at low revs under load and the idle increased to circa 1500rpm after i restarted it but I reset the adaptives and fault codes and it then restarted clear and ran ok.

I did get a couple of times a note on the laptop fauly screen on bank 2,4,6,8 stating BAD instead of ok but not sure what it meant. when i reset the ecu it vanished though.

still confused but i seem to have cured the lambda problem

TT Tim

4,168 posts

277 months

Thursday 25th June 2009
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Is your car decatted?

Tim

jesfirth

Original Poster:

1,743 posts

272 months

Thursday 25th June 2009
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tim,

yup it is decatted but this problem existed both before and after the decat and before and after the many rebuilds - except the first rebuild in June 2004. Before that one it always started fine hot or cold

plumAJP

1,149 posts

219 months

Friday 26th June 2009
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this will be interesting as i have defunc'd my a/c for the moment,

however my a/c never worked when i had the car but it seemed to run fine with no bad start problems when warm (only idling issues, partly due to me being a noob and messing with Tpots)

Joo will no a/c and no fuel cooler for return fuel mess up the map?