It's Armed Forces day

[Mannginger]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8121826.stm

http://www.armedforcesday.org.uk/

Thanks for all your bravery, dedication and commitment!

[satchbot]

Hat's off to them all!

[anonymous-user]

satchbot said:

Hat's off to them all!

Agreed. Anyone risking there lives for a better future for us all gets my respect!

[Superhoop1904]

I thank all service men and women for the freedom I enjoy every day, and wish the country show you the gratitude (sp?) you deserve.

[bob1179]

I'm proud of our armed forces and the job they do. I hope it becomes a well attended celebration every year.

[ShadownINja]

[budflicker]

ok this is possibly not very PC, however whilst once upon a time the armed forces were fighting for our freedom WW2, Falklands etc
Of late they are no more than our american pro goverments mercenarys off round the world fighting unjust wars in countrys we have no right being in. And if you join up today thinking your are protecting this country you are misguided the only thing you will be protecting is oil rights and pipeline routes, and anything which might say boo to Israel.

[ShadownINja]

budflicker said:

ok this is possibly not very PC, however whilst once upon a time the armed forces were fighting for our freedom WW2, Falklands etc
Of late they are no more than our american pro goverments mercenarys off round the world fighting unjust wars in countrys we have no right being in. And if you join up today thinking your are protecting this country you are misguided the only thing you will be protecting is oil rights and pipeline routes, and anything which might say boo to Israel.

OTOH the families of 100,000 gassed Kurdish Muslims in North Iraq might disagree with you.

[Mr Dave]

budflicker said:

ok this is possibly not very PC, however whilst once upon a time the armed forces were fighting for our freedom WW2, Falklands etc
Of late they are no more than our american pro goverments mercenarys off round the world fighting unjust wars in countrys we have no right being in. And if you join up today thinking your are protecting this country you are misguided the only thing you will be protecting is oil rights and pipeline routes, and anything which might say boo to Israel.

You are awfully clever.

[Pigeon]

budflicker said:

ok this is possibly not very PC, however whilst once upon a time the armed forces were fighting for our freedom WW2, Falklands etc
Of late they are no more than our american pro goverments mercenarys off round the world fighting unjust wars in countrys we have no right being in. And if you join up today thinking your are protecting this country you are misguided the only thing you will be protecting is oil rights and pipeline routes, and anything which might say boo to Israel.

It's not "PH PC" for sure but I agree with you. It really winds me up when I see people talking about our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan "fighting for Queen and country" etc. It winds me up even more when it's the troops themselves saying it. No, mate, what you are really fighting for is our scumbag government's desire to lick American ass. It's nothing to be proud of and your mates have been killed to support the egos of sthead politicians... who then can't be fking bothered to provide anything remotely approaching adequate care for the wounded so we have to have charities to fill in the gap.

[budflicker]

Mr Dave said:

budflicker said:

ok this is possibly not very PC, however whilst once upon a time the armed forces were fighting for our freedom WW2, Falklands etc
Of late they are no more than our american pro goverments mercenarys off round the world fighting unjust wars in countrys we have no right being in. And if you join up today thinking your are protecting this country you are misguided the only thing you will be protecting is oil rights and pipeline routes, and anything which might say boo to Israel.

You are awfully clever.

sacasiam is the lowest form of wit my freind

[Eric Mc]

budflicker said:

ok this is possibly not very PC, however whilst once upon a time the armed forces were fighting for our freedom WW2, Falklands etc
Of late they are no more than our american pro goverments mercenarys off round the world fighting unjust wars in countrys we have no right being in. And if you join up today thinking your are protecting this country you are misguided the only thing you will be protecting is oil rights and pipeline routes, and anything which might say boo to Israel.

I'd like to think that they are fighting for British standards of education too - but it seems they are being let down on the Home Front.

[Mr Dave]

budflicker said:

Mr Dave said:

budflicker said:

ok this is possibly not very PC, however whilst once upon a time the armed forces were fighting for our freedom WW2, Falklands etc
Of late they are no more than our american pro goverments mercenarys off round the world fighting unjust wars in countrys we have no right being in. And if you join up today thinking your are protecting this country you are misguided the only thing you will be protecting is oil rights and pipeline routes, and anything which might say boo to Israel.

You are awfully clever.

sacasiam is the lowest form of wit my freind

Thought that was sarcasm?

[ShadownINja]

It's too late, Eric. The enemy has infiltrated Pistonheads.com. We're all doomed. Innit, blud. Im im pwned!one.

Edited by ShadownINja on Saturday 27th June 15:48

[350GT]

ShadownINja said:

budflicker said:

ok this is possibly not very PC, however whilst once upon a time the armed forces were fighting for our freedom WW2, Falklands etc
Of late they are no more than our american pro goverments mercenarys off round the world fighting unjust wars in countrys we have no right being in. And if you join up today thinking your are protecting this country you are misguided the only thing you will be protecting is oil rights and pipeline routes, and anything which might say boo to Israel.

OTOH the families of 100,000 gassed Kurdish Muslims in North Iraq might disagree with you.

Just an FYI... You know the US and UK blocked resolutions in the UN back when Saddam was using chemical weapons against the Kurds, and Iranians? This was back in the day when the famous picture of Rumsfeld shaking Saddams hand. Let's not pretend we are the moral guardians.

[Eric Mc]

The Army may not be in Afghansistan fighting for heroic or moral values, but they are there protecting our country's interests - and, hopefully, lessening the risk of terrorist attack against the UK. Those are the reasons they are there.

Whether their mission will be successful in its objectives is unclear and uncertain. Whether you or I agree with those reasons is neither here nor there.

British soldiers, sailors and airmen sign up to be the instrument of the policies of their democratically elected masters.

[Pigeon]

Eric Mc said:

The Army may not be in Afghansistan fighting for heroic or moral values, but they are there protecting our country's interests

No, they are not. The troops and some of the population may be deceived into believing that is the case, but they are really there, as I said, because Tony Blair had his tongue stuck firmly up George Bush's asshole. That's not something worth dying for.

[Eric Mc]

In your opinion.

As Aghanistan was looked on as the centre of operations of Al Quaeda and the Taleban it was considered a legitimate military target.

I have no quarrel with that assessment of the situation.

However, I do not think that there will be a clear outcome to the situation there. I predicted back in 2001 that British troops were being committed to a campaign that would run for at least a decade. I have no reason to change this view.

Edited by Eric Mc on Saturday 27th June 16:17

[budflicker]

Eric Mc said:

The Army may not be in Afghansistan fighting for heroic or moral values, but they are there protecting our country's interests - and, hopefully, lessening the risk of terrorist attack against the UK. Those are the reasons they are there.

Whether their mission will be successful in its objectives is unclear and uncertain. Whether you or I agree with those reasons is neither here nor there.

British soldiers, sailors and airmen sign up to be the instrument of the policies of their democratically elected masters.

which of our countrys interests are they protecting????? and how do you believe that the risk of terrorist attack in the uk is lessened by their presence.
Also i would be interested in your opinion on the idea that the actual risk of a terrorist attack is being blown out of all proportion by western goverments in an atempt to scare the public into losing more of their liberty, ie: stop and search, cctv everywhere, id cards, databases on everything you do and say etc etc etc those things are all here or coming soon what next.

[KieronGsi]

Pigeon said:

Eric Mc said:

The Army may not be in Afghansistan fighting for heroic or moral values, but they are there protecting our country's interests

No, they are not. The troops and some of the population may be deceived into believing that is the case, but they are really there, as I said, because Tony Blair had his tongue stuck firmly up George Bush's asshole. That's not something worth dying for.

So the all the people in the Armed Forces should have left when he took power? Or refused to go? Or did they just get on with the job in hand knowing there was not a great deal they could do.