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stifler

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Sunday 28th June 2009
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Congrats to Rossi. That is certainly some achievement.



Does that make him better than M Schumacher, who only won 91 GP's wink

stifler

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Sorry, If any mods want to change the title to "Rossi ***Spoilers***" that would be much appreciated.

Lord Croker

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218 months

Sunday 28th June 2009
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And he's only 30! Just stunning, and that banner was amazing.

The fight for 6th was great but the stupid director didn't let us see it right at the end mad

philis

415 posts

246 months

Sunday 28th June 2009
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stifler said:
Sorry, If any mods want to change the title to "Rossi ***Spoilers***" that would be much appreciated.
no problem, just watched it now.
Not a classic but good to see toseland back up there.

stifler

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Sunday 28th June 2009
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Cheers Mods.

Altrezia

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240 months

Sunday 28th June 2009
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A clear win too - what a lead! Amazing bloke.

jhcolley

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211 months

Sunday 28th June 2009
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I think there are extremely few sportsmen who you can say are undoubtedly the greatest of all time, but I think Rossi is one of them.

flemke

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266 months

Sunday 28th June 2009
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jhcolley said:
I think there are extremely few sportsmen who you can say are undoubtedly the greatest of all time, but I think Rossi is one of them.
Genuine question, as I know nothing about bike racing: is Rossi indisputably "greater" than Agostini was?

As for other sports, one that has been graced by an athlete who has been, to date, unambiguously the greatest of all time is cycling, with Eddy Merckx.
I cannot think of others, although my knowledge of sports history does not extend to table tennis and Greco-Roman wrestling.

rubystone

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288 months

Sunday 28th June 2009
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flemke said:
jhcolley said:
is Rossi indisputably "greater" than Agostini was?
I guess you'd measure that by the quality of the competition and the machinery....Rossi made Biaggi look ordinary in 2002 but was on the all conquering RC211V. Ago had Hailwood to challenge him but when Saarinen died I'm not sure he had that much opposition. I think we may have a Lorenzo/Rossi battle this year to rival Ago/Hailwood in '66/'67.

tempus

674 posts

230 months

Sunday 28th June 2009
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I would say no,Hailwood was the best in his era,Ago. in his and Rossi is the best 500GP rider in his,the demands in different years are too much to compare,Hailwood would have 250,350,and 500 rides at the same meetings so I`m sorry if it reads like a cop out but I just watch and am continually amazed by people to whom the laws of Physics seemingly don`t apply.

kiteless

12,557 posts

233 months

Sunday 28th June 2009
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This is all IMVHO.

Having watched (during my lifetime) racers such as Doohan, Schwantz, Rainey, Spencer, Lawson, Big Dave Jeffries, Joey, McCallen, Hislop, and Fogarty etc, watching Rossi has become a joy over the last 13 years. An absolute joy.

I suppose to crystallise it, it's not just the stats that Rossi is accruing during his career, but the manner in which he does it. Of the above racers, prior to Vale, I had most respect for Freddie and Mick. The former for his absolute precision racing and THAT feat of wrapping up both the 250cc & 500cc titles in one year. That latter for his absolute steely determination to out-ride and out-psyche his peers at every available opportunity, even when his legs were fked after Assen 1992. But Freddie and Mick were consummate professionals, and a little cold; lacking in personality.

Rossi, for me, has not only more ability on a bike but - also - every time he gets on a bike to race you can almost feel his excitement for a) racing one of the best bikes on the planet and b) beating his peers so that, for one day, he can claim to be the best bike racer in the world. And when he does win a race, it's not just a perfunctory wave to the crowd. It's a run to a portaloo at the side of a track. It's a warm down lap with a bloke dressed in a chicken costume on the back of his bike. It's a blow-up doll that looks like Naomi Campbell sitting on the front of his bike (taking the piss out of Biaggi). It's standing on the 1st step of the podium at Donington in a Robin Hood costume. It's parking his Yamaha M1 at the side of the track at Welkom in 2005 and literally pissing himself laughing for beating Biaggi when Biaggi was riding a full works Honda RC211V.

Then there's his racing exploits.

Vs Stoner @ Laguna in 2008. Vs Gibernau @ Jerez in 2005. Vs Gibernau @ Sachsenring 2005. Vs Biaggi @ Suzuka 2001. THAT race at Philip Island where he was given a 10 second penalty for overtaking under a waved yellow flag, yet STILL won the race on corrected time!

Rossi will best Ago's record of 122 wins in all classes. The only thing left then will be Rossi on a R1 winning the TT with an average lap speed of 135mph.

The guy's a fking legend.

We are as lucky now to witness such genius as petrolheads in the 50's were lucky enough to witness the likes of Fangio and Moss.

Fire99

9,865 posts

258 months

Monday 29th June 2009
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kiteless said:
This is all IMVHO.

Having watched (during my lifetime) racers such as Doohan, Schwantz, Rainey, Spencer, Lawson, Big Dave Jeffries, Joey, McCallen, Hislop, and Fogarty etc, watching Rossi has become a joy over the last 13 years. An absolute joy.

I suppose to crystallise it, it's not just the stats that Rossi is accruing during his career, but the manner in which he does it. Of the above racers, prior to Vale, I had most respect for Freddie and Mick. The former for his absolute precision racing and THAT feat of wrapping up both the 250cc & 500cc titles in one year. That latter for his absolute steely determination to out-ride and out-psyche his peers at every available opportunity, even when his legs were fked after Assen 1992. But Freddie and Mick were consummate professionals, and a little cold; lacking in personality.

Rossi, for me, has not only more ability on a bike but - also - every time he gets on a bike to race you can almost feel his excitement for a) racing one of the best bikes on the planet and b) beating his peers so that, for one day, he can claim to be the best bike racer in the world. And when he does win a race, it's not just a perfunctory wave to the crowd. It's a run to a portaloo at the side of a track. It's a warm down lap with a bloke dressed in a chicken costume on the back of his bike. It's a blow-up doll that looks like Naomi Campbell sitting on the front of his bike (taking the piss out of Biaggi). It's standing on the 1st step of the podium at Donington in a Robin Hood costume. It's parking his Yamaha M1 at the side of the track at Welkom in 2005 and literally pissing himself laughing for beating Biaggi when Biaggi was riding a full works Honda RC211V.

Then there's his racing exploits.

Vs Stoner @ Laguna in 2008. Vs Gibernau @ Jerez in 2005. Vs Gibernau @ Sachsenring 2005. Vs Biaggi @ Suzuka 2001. THAT race at Philip Island where he was given a 10 second penalty for overtaking under a waved yellow flag, yet STILL won the race on corrected time!

Rossi will best Ago's record of 122 wins in all classes. The only thing left then will be Rossi on a R1 winning the TT with an average lap speed of 135mph.

The guy's a fking legend.

We are as lucky now to witness such genius as petrolheads in the 50's were lucky enough to witness the likes of Fangio and Moss.
yes that pretty much sums him up for me too.

It's not just that he's a fantastic rider but that he's so enthusiastic and seems to genuinely enjoy racing. He's also willing to give absolutely 100%.

I'm wary of using the 'greatest of all time' banner since everything changes so much over the years and it's virtually impossible to make direct comparisons.

However, regardless, he is an astonishing rider and a true ambassador to the sport.

DJC

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265 months

Monday 29th June 2009
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Best there has been. Simples.

I always thought Rainey was the best Id ever get to see on a bike, he had something that I hadnt seen in others including the great Mick. Rossi is something else though. Like the very absolute best in all elite individual sports, he can pull something extra from somewhere that wasnt there before. He beats guys in the head first, then when that isnt enough he beats them on the track.

Ago and Hailwood were before my time, however I was raised in a house revelling in being a motorsport memorial of 50s and 60s racing, so they were still both heros of mine, Hailwood and Surtees in particular. Rossi doesnt just stand comparison, he stands above them.

mrmaggit

10,146 posts

277 months

Monday 29th June 2009
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Given that Ago used to compete in two or three different classes at each weekend, and that in some races he finished nearly a lap in front of the second place, and in others was on clearly the best machinery, I'd say that grouping for "Best ever", would be Ago, Hailwood, Doohan, Surtees, Duke, Dunlop (Joey), Rossi and if only he'd survived, Saarinen.

Of these, my personal favourite is Mike the Bike, but as for the Best, Rossi.

DJC

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265 months

Monday 29th June 2009
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Hmmm, can we count any of the Dunlops?

Surely their (the entire family are guilty of this!) complete lack of any braincells or judgement or rational thought processes during their rides renders traditional notions of ability meaningless for them?

The Dunlops rode on some kind of metaphysical instinct and adrenalin. Banzai, paint sniffing lunatics of the highest orders smile

tim2100

6,288 posts

286 months

Monday 29th June 2009
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kiteless said:
This is all IMVHO.

Having watched (during my lifetime) racers such as Doohan, Schwantz, Rainey, Spencer, Lawson, Big Dave Jeffries, Joey, McCallen, Hislop, and Fogarty etc, watching Rossi has become a joy over the last 13 years. An absolute joy.

I suppose to crystallise it, it's not just the stats that Rossi is accruing during his career, but the manner in which he does it. Of the above racers, prior to Vale, I had most respect for Freddie and Mick. The former for his absolute precision racing and THAT feat of wrapping up both the 250cc & 500cc titles in one year. That latter for his absolute steely determination to out-ride and out-psyche his peers at every available opportunity, even when his legs were fked after Assen 1992. But Freddie and Mick were consummate professionals, and a little cold; lacking in personality.

Rossi, for me, has not only more ability on a bike but - also - every time he gets on a bike to race you can almost feel his excitement for a) racing one of the best bikes on the planet and b) beating his peers so that, for one day, he can claim to be the best bike racer in the world. And when he does win a race, it's not just a perfunctory wave to the crowd. It's a run to a portaloo at the side of a track. It's a warm down lap with a bloke dressed in a chicken costume on the back of his bike. It's a blow-up doll that looks like Naomi Campbell sitting on the front of his bike (taking the piss out of Biaggi). It's standing on the 1st step of the podium at Donington in a Robin Hood costume. It's parking his Yamaha M1 at the side of the track at Welkom in 2005 and literally pissing himself laughing for beating Biaggi when Biaggi was riding a full works Honda RC211V.

Then there's his racing exploits.

Vs Stoner @ Laguna in 2008. Vs Gibernau @ Jerez in 2005. Vs Gibernau @ Sachsenring 2005. Vs Biaggi @ Suzuka 2001. THAT race at Philip Island where he was given a 10 second penalty for overtaking under a waved yellow flag, yet STILL won the race on corrected time!

Rossi will best Ago's record of 122 wins in all classes. The only thing left then will be Rossi on a R1 winning the TT with an average lap speed of 135mph.

The guy's a fking legend.

We are as lucky now to witness such genius as petrolheads in the 50's were lucky enough to witness the likes of Fangio and Moss.
Absoultly spot on.

308mate

13,758 posts

251 months

Monday 29th June 2009
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tim2100 said:
kiteless said:
This is all IMVHO.

Having watched (during my lifetime) racers such as Doohan, Schwantz, Rainey, Spencer, Lawson, Big Dave Jeffries, Joey, McCallen, Hislop, and Fogarty etc, watching Rossi has become a joy over the last 13 years. An absolute joy.

I suppose to crystallise it, it's not just the stats that Rossi is accruing during his career, but the manner in which he does it. Of the above racers, prior to Vale, I had most respect for Freddie and Mick. The former for his absolute precision racing and THAT feat of wrapping up both the 250cc & 500cc titles in one year. That latter for his absolute steely determination to out-ride and out-psyche his peers at every available opportunity, even when his legs were fked after Assen 1992. But Freddie and Mick were consummate professionals, and a little cold; lacking in personality.

Rossi, for me, has not only more ability on a bike but - also - every time he gets on a bike to race you can almost feel his excitement for a) racing one of the best bikes on the planet and b) beating his peers so that, for one day, he can claim to be the best bike racer in the world. And when he does win a race, it's not just a perfunctory wave to the crowd. It's a run to a portaloo at the side of a track. It's a warm down lap with a bloke dressed in a chicken costume on the back of his bike. It's a blow-up doll that looks like Naomi Campbell sitting on the front of his bike (taking the piss out of Biaggi). It's standing on the 1st step of the podium at Donington in a Robin Hood costume. It's parking his Yamaha M1 at the side of the track at Welkom in 2005 and literally pissing himself laughing for beating Biaggi when Biaggi was riding a full works Honda RC211V.

Then there's his racing exploits.

Vs Stoner @ Laguna in 2008. Vs Gibernau @ Jerez in 2005. Vs Gibernau @ Sachsenring 2005. Vs Biaggi @ Suzuka 2001. THAT race at Philip Island where he was given a 10 second penalty for overtaking under a waved yellow flag, yet STILL won the race on corrected time!

Rossi will best Ago's record of 122 wins in all classes. The only thing left then will be Rossi on a R1 winning the TT with an average lap speed of 135mph.

The guy's a fking legend.

We are as lucky now to witness such genius as petrolheads in the 50's were lucky enough to witness the likes of Fangio and Moss.
Absoultly spot on.
Not absolutely.

The blow-up doll was labelled Claudia Schiffer.

biggrin

stifler

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DJC said:
Hmmm, can we count any of the Dunlops?

Surely their (the entire family are guilty of this!) complete lack of any braincells or judgement or rational thought processes during their rides renders traditional notions of ability meaningless for them?

The Dunlops rode on some kind of metaphysical instinct and adrenalin. Banzai, paint sniffing lunatics of the highest orders smile
And let's hope that Micheal and William, plus any other of Robert and Joeys kids that race, continue the family tradition. Micheals TT win this year was brilliant. The best win of this years TT IMHO.

kusee pee

1,021 posts

232 months

Monday 29th June 2009
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tim2100 said:
kiteless said:
This is all IMVHO.

Having watched (during my lifetime) racers such as Doohan, Schwantz, Rainey, Spencer, Lawson, Big Dave Jeffries, Joey, McCallen, Hislop, and Fogarty etc, watching Rossi has become a joy over the last 13 years. An absolute joy.

I suppose to crystallise it, it's not just the stats that Rossi is accruing during his career, but the manner in which he does it. Of the above racers, prior to Vale, I had most respect for Freddie and Mick. The former for his absolute precision racing and THAT feat of wrapping up both the 250cc & 500cc titles in one year. That latter for his absolute steely determination to out-ride and out-psyche his peers at every available opportunity, even when his legs were fked after Assen 1992. But Freddie and Mick were consummate professionals, and a little cold; lacking in personality.

Rossi, for me, has not only more ability on a bike but - also - every time he gets on a bike to race you can almost feel his excitement for a) racing one of the best bikes on the planet and b) beating his peers so that, for one day, he can claim to be the best bike racer in the world. And when he does win a race, it's not just a perfunctory wave to the crowd. It's a run to a portaloo at the side of a track. It's a warm down lap with a bloke dressed in a chicken costume on the back of his bike. It's a blow-up doll that looks like Naomi Campbell sitting on the front of his bike (taking the piss out of Biaggi). It's standing on the 1st step of the podium at Donington in a Robin Hood costume. It's parking his Yamaha M1 at the side of the track at Welkom in 2005 and literally pissing himself laughing for beating Biaggi when Biaggi was riding a full works Honda RC211V.

Then there's his racing exploits.

Vs Stoner @ Laguna in 2008. Vs Gibernau @ Jerez in 2005. Vs Gibernau @ Sachsenring 2005. Vs Biaggi @ Suzuka 2001. THAT race at Philip Island where he was given a 10 second penalty for overtaking under a waved yellow flag, yet STILL won the race on corrected time!

Rossi will best Ago's record of 122 wins in all classes. The only thing left then will be Rossi on a R1 winning the TT with an average lap speed of 135mph.

The guy's a fking legend.

We are as lucky now to witness such genius as petrolheads in the 50's were lucky enough to witness the likes of Fangio and Moss.
Absoultly spot on.
+1.

Rossi's skill is not only on a different level to the rest but his attitude is brilliant too. The man deserves everything he has achieved and he is a joy to watch.