That baby cot in this months sprint.
Discussion
Does anyone else think the same as me, on the subject of that Griff owner in sprint, with the baby cot behind the seats?
I could not belive my eyes when I read the article and saw the picture. As a father to be in a few months, I would never risk my child in this fashion, even if I am desperate to introduce my offspring to the pleasures of the TVR.
I'm also thinking that perhaps the club are being a bit irresponsible by publishing the article too???
Surely this cannot be legal?
I could not belive my eyes when I read the article and saw the picture. As a father to be in a few months, I would never risk my child in this fashion, even if I am desperate to introduce my offspring to the pleasures of the TVR.
I'm also thinking that perhaps the club are being a bit irresponsible by publishing the article too???
Surely this cannot be legal?
Graham said:
well i spent plenty of time as a sprog sat behind the seats in an mg midget and am still here and there are people who were wrapped in cotton wool who arnt...
life a risk face it..
i thought it was a top idea...
The idea may be sound, but the legality is definitely not!
I spent many a happy year stood on the passenger seat with no restraint at a tender age, and I'm still here. However, I wouldn't allow a child to do it today and the insurance would be invalid. 3 humans in a 2 seat car = invalid insurance.
There's an awful lot more traffic travelling at higher speeds on the roads today - Standing on the passenger seat of an old VX490 travelling at 35mph then is by definition less risky than travelling at 70mph in a Chimaera today.
I don't want to offend anyone by implicitly saying he's 100 years old, but maybe, back in the good old times, there were much fewer cars (crashes), insurance cheaper, ... 
So, it's better to let go the thought of it didn't harm me. You were one very lucky kid! (been born ages ago and having been in the back of a 2 seater TVR, back then!) I'd be
too
Let's just face it, we're in a different time-zone now and everybody would be better off not taking the child in the back.
Cerbie orders to follow?
Fun and save driving, Peter
So, it's better to let go the thought of it didn't harm me. You were one very lucky kid! (been born ages ago and having been in the back of a 2 seater TVR, back then!) I'd be
too Let's just face it, we're in a different time-zone now and everybody would be better off not taking the child in the back.
Cerbie orders to follow?
Fun and save driving, Peter
Yup I'm a father, yup my 12 year old son has travelled in the back of my Chimaera ... not entirely sensible, but then I didn't take the Volvo option!
By the way, I'm 41, up until 18 months ago I swam 20,000m a week and competed in triathlons had low blood pressure, low cholestrol, perfect weight, an organic balanced diet, didn't smoke and had no family history ... and yup I had a massive heart attack that they say would have killed most people. You don't know what's round the corner and if you spend your life worrying about all the crap it will have passed you by before you know it !!
By the way, I'm 41, up until 18 months ago I swam 20,000m a week and competed in triathlons had low blood pressure, low cholestrol, perfect weight, an organic balanced diet, didn't smoke and had no family history ... and yup I had a massive heart attack that they say would have killed most people. You don't know what's round the corner and if you spend your life worrying about all the crap it will have passed you by before you know it !!
NigeW said:
I'm with Graham. I'm surprised the rest of you drive TVRs, surely you'd be better cacooned in cotton wool running risk assessments on road crossing.
i was begining to wonder if i'd stumbled into the vectra owners / rospa. transport 2000 forum...
and i only feel 100 today ( blinking cold) actually 34 oh yes and a dad....
it also makes me laugh that you all seem worried about the insurance... if i had isobel in the back of the chimaera and smacked it i wouldnt give a flying
about the insurance. Actually she's too big / not big enough now any way (18 months). In my mind the peeps in the article had shown enough responsibility in anchoring the cot, and id have thought if the car did roll the cot would still be below the body line.. so ok..
well for the record, I have nitrous in my griff, so I'm out for a good time too, BUT the point I was trying to raise is that there is this defenceless baby in the back of a car, with other people in control of it's destiny, and in my opinion, they are not being responsible.
The other point I want to make, is that if this was professionaly fitted to the car, and both the baby and cot WERE securly fastened to the vehicle, the it makes the situation better, but the picture, and the write up only mention / show, that the cot is secured to the car, NOT the baby.
Surely this situation, as it stands cannot be right???
Just a quick thought, was this an early april fool by sprint to start a debate?
The other point I want to make, is that if this was professionaly fitted to the car, and both the baby and cot WERE securly fastened to the vehicle, the it makes the situation better, but the picture, and the write up only mention / show, that the cot is secured to the car, NOT the baby.
Surely this situation, as it stands cannot be right???
Just a quick thought, was this an early april fool by sprint to start a debate?
The way I read it, the cot + baby were secured, the cot is lower than the bodywork, this is likely to be the safest occupant of the car.
Also far safer than the (completely legal) pastime of having a baby trailer towed behind your bicycle - am I the only one thinking that this is as dangerous as gargling with Australian spiders?
If I could be convinced that it was legal (and thus insurable), I for one would be quite happy to affix a baby seat to the chassis after fitting a rollover bar to my Chimaera.
As it is, I have to leave my wife behind, when I take my 11 month toddler out for a spin....
Remember - we evolved to take risks - our body rewards us with various "feel-good" drugs when we do (and survive). Give in to nature - remember it's for the good of society
Also far safer than the (completely legal) pastime of having a baby trailer towed behind your bicycle - am I the only one thinking that this is as dangerous as gargling with Australian spiders?
If I could be convinced that it was legal (and thus insurable), I for one would be quite happy to affix a baby seat to the chassis after fitting a rollover bar to my Chimaera.
As it is, I have to leave my wife behind, when I take my 11 month toddler out for a spin....
Remember - we evolved to take risks - our body rewards us with various "feel-good" drugs when we do (and survive). Give in to nature - remember it's for the good of society
Been here before I am afraid, and regardless of whether you all think it sensible or not (I am not hear to judge), the simple factor is that you would be breaking the law as well as invalidating your insurance.... regardless of having an accident or not...
Your insurance policy will state somewhere that you must comply with the rules and regulations governing the registration of the vehicle - i.e. the V5. That V5 clearly indicates the maximum number of people that it can carry and this is set as 2 (in the case of a Chimaera, Griffith, Tamora et al). To have more than 2 people in the car will mean that you breaking the law for overloading and therefore in breach of your terms and conditions for the insurance.....
So, do as you feel fit - but if you get caught by the BiB then dont complain.....
To get around this you will need to separately license your car in accordance with the DVLA rules and regulations. This means that you need to get the car re-tested to the relevant type approval - probably an SVA rather than a full type approval. If you think that you can meet those requirements then by all means have your car tested and then have the V5 changed - not forgetting that you have to inform your insurance company that the car is modified and that the max number of people that it can carry is 3....
Otherwise - dont risk it or by a Cerbera.
Your insurance policy will state somewhere that you must comply with the rules and regulations governing the registration of the vehicle - i.e. the V5. That V5 clearly indicates the maximum number of people that it can carry and this is set as 2 (in the case of a Chimaera, Griffith, Tamora et al). To have more than 2 people in the car will mean that you breaking the law for overloading and therefore in breach of your terms and conditions for the insurance.....
So, do as you feel fit - but if you get caught by the BiB then dont complain.....
To get around this you will need to separately license your car in accordance with the DVLA rules and regulations. This means that you need to get the car re-tested to the relevant type approval - probably an SVA rather than a full type approval. If you think that you can meet those requirements then by all means have your car tested and then have the V5 changed - not forgetting that you have to inform your insurance company that the car is modified and that the max number of people that it can carry is 3....
Otherwise - dont risk it or by a Cerbera.
Graham said:
if i had isobel in the back of the chimaera and smacked it i wouldnt give a flying
I think I know what you mean but the reason people are mentioning insurance is if, for example, the driver hit you and Isobel your claim against them would not be honoured by their insurance company. I'm thinking of personal injury not a scratch on your car. Not good news.
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