Sweden: 50% growth, 10% less CO2 emissions

[nigelfr]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe...

Apparently, by biting the bullet early, Sweden has managed to cut it's CO2 emissions by 10% while still achieving growth of 50% since 1990.

[Jalopnik]

And all very well if you have a geothermal alternative too!

[ludo]

Guam said:

Jalopnik said:

And all very well if you have a geothermal alternative too!

Iceland has those why dont we look at their "economic miracle"...................................... Perhaps not

They have sod all else though, which might just have something to do with it.

[Nuclearsquash]

THe rather joyous thing about sweden though, is that they have a public transport system that actually works. It is punctual, cheap and works in all weathers includingsnow amazingly. So in that respect people are actually willing to use it as a viable alternative to the car, and the fact that they have a population of about 6 million people concentrated for the most part in large metropolitan areas. So yay for them, but it wouldn't work here.

[glazbagun]

That's a bit crap compared to the growth of China. Who arent producing less CO2 emmisions.

[PJ S]

Nuclearsquash said:

THe rather joyous thing about sweden though, is that they have a public transport system that actually works. It is punctual, cheap and works in all weathers includingsnow amazingly. So in that respect people are actually willing to use it as a viable alternative to the car, and the fact that they have a population of about 6 million people concentrated for the most part in large metropolitan areas. So yay for them, but it wouldn't work here.

And Switzerland has one too which probably makes the Swedish one look chaotic, from what I gather about how well implemented and maintained it is - yet no mention of fuel taxes tacked on or ringfenced for offsetting "carbon footprints" or such other nonsense regarding plant food gas.

[nigelfr]

Jalopnik said:

And all very well if you have a geothermal alternative too!

In Europe geothermal tends to be used for heat pump type installations, so is an option in the UK too.

[nigelfr]

Guam said:

glazbagun said:

That's a bit crap compared to the growth of China. Who arent producing less CO2 emmisions.

Good point that man can I throw India in as well Puhhhhhleeeze

Well, is that really a fair comparison?

[nigelfr]

Guam said:

nigelfr said:

Guam said:

glazbagun said:

That's a bit crap compared to the growth of China. Who arent producing less CO2 emmisions.

Good point that man can I throw India in as well Puhhhhhleeeze

Well, is that really a fair comparison?

Why not? Ecomentalist propaganda from Sweden, seems reasonable to refute it with equal nonsense

So much for your open mind. If I take any more pinches of salt, I'm going to get high blood pressure.

Why not compare Sweden with its peers...

[elster]

50% Growth in Sweden, I have 10% more apples a week.

I think it is more to do with my apple eating habits than CO2.

[nigelfr]

Fairness test fail: I did say you could use the chart to compare Sweden with it's peers.

[Finlandia]

Nuclearsquash said:

THe rather joyous thing about sweden though, is that they have a public transport system that actually works.

Does it? I live 7 miles outside one of the biggest towns in Sweden, less than an hour from the capital. Where I live there are exactly 3 buses per day into town and 3 from town out. To get to Stockholm by public transport, in time for work, is totally impossible. If it was possible, the cost would be double that of driving.

[10 Pence Short]

Finlandia said:

Nuclearsquash said:

THe rather joyous thing about sweden though, is that they have a public transport system that actually works.

Does it? I live 7 miles outside one of the biggest towns in Sweden, less than an hour from the capital. Where I live there are exactly 3 buses per day into town and 3 from town out. To get to Stockholm by public transport, in time for work, is totally impossible. If it was possible, the cost would be double that of driving.

Now now, don't go ruining sweeping generalisations with proper facts. That just won't do.

Don't you realise these people rely on conjecture and hot air, not facts.

A bit like religion.

[Finlandia]

10 Pence Short said:

Finlandia said:

Nuclearsquash said:

THe rather joyous thing about sweden though, is that they have a public transport system that actually works.

Does it? I live 7 miles outside one of the biggest towns in Sweden, less than an hour from the capital. Where I live there are exactly 3 buses per day into town and 3 from town out. To get to Stockholm by public transport, in time for work, is totally impossible. If it was possible, the cost would be double that of driving.

Now now, don't go ruining sweeping generalisations with proper facts. That just won't do.

Don't you realise these people rely on conjecture and hot air, not facts.

A bit like religion.

Sorry...

[Dare2Fail]

What was Sweden's economy like in the lead up to the start of the measurement period? Didn't Scandinavia have a big housing crisis in the 80s (I could be wrong on this)?

The 50% growth figure could quite easily be things returning to the normal after a depression in the lead up to the period that is being looked at. I'd also be interested to see how the 50% was achieved, i.e. was it 75% in the first 3 years and then -25% in the last 7?

[BiggusLaddus]

nigelfr said:

So much for your open mind. If I take any more pinches of salt, I'm going to get high blood pressure.

Why not compare Sweden with its peers...

Ok, I'll bite. I'm sure you think that you are doing something clever by posting a graph that contradicts what seems to be your position, but hey...

Comparing Sweden to its closest neighbours, there doesn't seem to be a great deal of difference between them, Denmark and Finland and all of those appear to have significantly smaller growth than Norway.

I now await you jumping in with the revelation that this is because Norway has raised an extra £4.50 per annum through green taxes.

[nigelfr]

Well the graph only goes up to 2006, so if anyone's got a more up to date version I would like to see it.

Who would be Sweden's peers? Mature economy, democratic? Decide for yourself and look.

But I think the somewhat hyperbolic contention from the deniers (I use the term advisably), that AGW is a plot to get us all living in caves, is somewhat weakened by the Swedish experience.

[Finlandia]

nigelfr said:

the Swedish experience.

The highest tax pressure in the world, that's pretty much the Swedish experience, unfortunately.

[nigelfr]

Finlandia said:

nigelfr said:

the Swedish experience.

The highest tax pressure in the world, that's pretty much the Swedish experience, unfortunately.

That's what they all say. But there must be some other compensations, as my brother returned there after spending a few years in the UK.

[Finlandia]

nigelfr said:

Finlandia said:

nigelfr said:

the Swedish experience.

The highest tax pressure in the world, that's pretty much the Swedish experience, unfortunately.

That's what they all say. But there must be some other compensations, as my brother returned there after spending a few years in the UK.

Swedens advantages over UK, less crowded, not as many speedcameras, slightly cheaper petrol and smokes, that's about it. In all other aspects, UK is equal to much better.

Seriously, there are good and bad points, but the tax pressure is extremely high and everything is pretty expensive compared to UK. Sweden markets itself as being the best place on earth and heaps before all other countries in everything from social and health care to sports. During the 40' to 70's this probably was the case, Sweden didn't go to war and get bombed to oblivion during WW2 as pretty much the rest of Europe, but now other countries have caught up and long ago passed Sweden.