rear anti roll bar - a good thing?
Discussion
Jes,
Mine's running without a rear ARB but your car is a totally different set up from mine.
I like it (thanks Jools), but I have to ask, why change the set-up on a car you are familar with and more importantly a car you are WINNING with?
Play with if after the 8 rounds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tim
Mine's running without a rear ARB but your car is a totally different set up from mine.
I like it (thanks Jools), but I have to ask, why change the set-up on a car you are familar with and more importantly a car you are WINNING with?
Play with if after the 8 rounds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tim
dont want more understeer, i guess i will find out at curborough next weekend. Tim I believe that the car can always go faster, its just finding out how to make it do it. I took a gamble with the new fornt anti roll bar at the beginning of this year and apart form the undesrteer which I have learnt to drive through by trail braking more so I thought this could be the next step. we shall see.
jesfirth said:
dont want more understeer, i guess i will find out at curborough next weekend. Tim I believe that the car can always go faster, its just finding out how to make it do it. I took a gamble with the new fornt anti roll bar at the beginning of this year and apart form the undesrteer which I have learnt to drive through by trail braking more so I thought this could be the next step. we shall see.
I do like your style, but I still think you need your bumps feeling. 
So, you still up for a track day later in the year and you can embarrass me by showing how fast my car can go?
Tim
Jes,
The Race Tuscans run a soft tail...and they're quite quick.
More lean at the back gives them the weight transfer they need to obtain more grip on the exits.
With your stiffer front arb it should work well, it'll be interesting to see how a cerb works with it's longer wheel base. You may want to soften the bump on the rear dampers and stiffen the fronts a notch. Could be, however, that because the car is heavier you don't need too much tweaking. Depends how good it was to start with I guess; and your was always pretty quick.
All part of the fun. Mines actually slower now than last year...due to this winters mods ... but It will be much quicker soon.
Andy
edited to mention that rear camber is critical if the arb is out. More lean means more -camber is required to keep the contact patch.
The Race Tuscans run a soft tail...and they're quite quick.
More lean at the back gives them the weight transfer they need to obtain more grip on the exits.
With your stiffer front arb it should work well, it'll be interesting to see how a cerb works with it's longer wheel base. You may want to soften the bump on the rear dampers and stiffen the fronts a notch. Could be, however, that because the car is heavier you don't need too much tweaking. Depends how good it was to start with I guess; and your was always pretty quick.
All part of the fun. Mines actually slower now than last year...due to this winters mods
... but It will be much quicker soon.Andy
edited to mention that rear camber is critical if the arb is out. More lean means more -camber is required to keep the contact patch.
Edited by Guillotine on Monday 6th July 09:41
TT Tim said:
I love Brands too, Paddock is quite a buzz.
Maybe it should be Brands.
Have a habit of messing it up at the Gooseneck at Cadwell.
Tim
If you lot are going to brands i want an invite!Maybe it should be Brands.
Have a habit of messing it up at the Gooseneck at Cadwell. Tim
I dont have a rear ARB. Putting it on gives more understeer in my experience. No trear ARB just over 2 deg of camber.
Mike
losing the rear arb without changing the shock settings did the following:
much more drive/grip out of slow corners
the turn in on slow corners seems unaffected
more understeer on high speed corners - or maybe I am just committing more?
At luchtime after the two morning runs I stiffened it all round for Run 1
by one click which improved the dive by making it feel generally more solid but it seemed slower
Then for run 2 I took one click off the rear and it improved again - so Andy I reckon you are right - the result was a bit more stable retaining the better drive out of the slow corners.
So it feels very slightly less predictable, slightly less stable under weight transfer from front to rear mid corner and is more twitchy but I reckon its a fraction qucker.
all good really
cheers
Jes
and the exhaust doesn't rub on it anymore
much more drive/grip out of slow corners
the turn in on slow corners seems unaffected
more understeer on high speed corners - or maybe I am just committing more?
At luchtime after the two morning runs I stiffened it all round for Run 1
by one click which improved the dive by making it feel generally more solid but it seemed slower
Then for run 2 I took one click off the rear and it improved again - so Andy I reckon you are right - the result was a bit more stable retaining the better drive out of the slow corners.
So it feels very slightly less predictable, slightly less stable under weight transfer from front to rear mid corner and is more twitchy but I reckon its a fraction qucker.
all good really
cheers
Jes
and the exhaust doesn't rub on it anymore
I think it is rather sensitive to your suspension set up. We noticed very little difference except as described - we have huge traction now though, but not sure how much is diff and how much is ARB-less related. Peter Myles was running without one at Curb for the first time too and he really didnt like the change at all.
With our springs/ dampers/diff, it works just fine.
With our springs/ dampers/diff, it works just fine.
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