Public sector bandwagon a wise ride?

[Brown and Boris]

Recently I have been involved in tendering on quite large public sector projects around leadership development/training/coaching etc. One of the things I am told is that the numbers of companies fighting for the work has gone through the roof (unsurprisngly). People are tendering for peanuts and on anything they can see they have a remote chance of, just to stay in business.

But I wonder how many of these projects will come to fruition now? Unless there is a legal or major policy incentive, who would spend upwards of £8M on a new programme in the current climate given public concern about spending, and is it likely that even if it kicks off the Tories won't just put a line through it and cut their losses once in power?

[Bing o]

Brown and Boris said:

is it likely that even if it kicks off the Tories won't just put a line through it and cut their losses once in power?

Lets hope so.

[JMGS4]

Seems CallMedave is wanting to slash Quangos, a damn good thing as they're mostly all a bunch of non-working busybodies who just want to enforcce BigBrotehr legislation. ban (no shoot) the effin lot of 'em.... starting wiv Elf an Safety

[Brown and Boris]

JMGS4 said:

Seems CallMedave is wanting to slash Quangos, a damn good thing as they're mostly all a bunch of non-working busybodies who just want to enforcce BigBrotehr legislation. ban (no shoot) the effin lot of 'em.... starting wiv Elf an Safety

He says he won't abolish those serving a statutory or transparency function but will slim them so that is all they do.

[JMGS4]

Brown and Boris said:

JMGS4 said:

Seems CallMedave is wanting to slash Quangos, a damn good thing as they're mostly all a bunch of non-working busybodies who just want to enforcce BigBrotehr legislation. ban (no shoot) the effin lot of 'em.... starting wiv Elf an Safety

He says he won't abolish those serving a statutory or transparency function but will slim them so that is all they do.

That sounds good to me!!!

[theaxe]

This is part of the reason why government projects are so expensive. Companies are taking a massive risk that the project will be scaled back, changed or abandoned half way through.

In fact I believe that many companies now insist on being paid to tender for government projects.

[Police State]

theaxe said:

This is part of the reason why government projects are so expensive. Companies are taking a massive risk that the project will be scaled back, changed or abandoned half way through.

In fact I believe that many companies now insist on being paid to tender for government projects.

Cheeky buggers.

[WhoseGeneration]

Brown and Boris said:

Recently I have been involved in tendering on quite large public sector projects around leadership development/training/coaching etc.

Therein lies the problem.
Organisations so incapable that they need to call upon others to provide that which they should do as part of their normal operations.
Because their internal structures are not able to allow talented individuals to
progress, for fear of upsetting the "staus quo"?

[Brown and Boris]

Police State said:

theaxe said:

This is part of the reason why government projects are so expensive. Companies are taking a massive risk that the project will be scaled back, changed or abandoned half way through.

In fact I believe that many companies now insist on being paid to tender for government projects.

Cheeky buggers.

I haven't seen that, in fact the opening stipulation is that your costs are not covered. But it gets a pain when it transpires you were never likely to get a look in because some tame provider had the inside track and they are just going through the tendering motions. Would be good and more honest if they said if they had a preferred bider, who they were and a target price to beat. Insteaed they let 20 suppliers jump hoops, and a shortlist waste thousands on a full tender for a job they have no real chance of getting.

[FPC]

Brown and Boris said:

JMGS4 said:

Seems CallMedave is wanting to slash Quangos, a damn good thing as they're mostly all a bunch of non-working busybodies who just want to enforcce BigBrotehr legislation. ban (no shoot) the effin lot of 'em.... starting wiv Elf an Safety

He says he won't abolish those serving a statutory or transparency function but will slim them so that is all they do.

The fact is that every major party since the beginning of time has promised to cut back on QUANGOs. And yet they keep multiplying.

[Deva Link]

WhoseGeneration said:

Brown and Boris said:

Recently I have been involved in tendering on quite large public sector projects around leadership development/training/coaching etc.

Therein lies the problem.
Organisations so incapable that they need to call upon others to provide that which they should do as part of their normal operations.
Because their internal structures are not able to allow talented individuals to
progress, for fear of upsetting the "staus quo"?

My wife and both daughters work in public service and the difference between the way they operate and my small private company is absolutely incredible.

My wife works for a Government department and has so much training, reviews, evaluations etc etc that it seriously interferes with her ability to get her job done.

Teacher daughter is similar, but is expected to fit it all in and still do all her teaching/marking/preparation/pastoral stuff at the same time. She has a tough time.

Health Service daughter is just in another league - there doesn't actually seem to be any work attached to her job at all. The whole thing is about personal development. She's quite seriously like a full-time student who sees a couple of patients a week as part of some kind of project.

[Digga]

Brown and Boris said:

JMGS4 said:

Seems CallMedave is wanting to slash Quangos, a damn good thing as they're mostly all a bunch of non-working busybodies who just want to enforcce BigBrotehr legislation. ban (no shoot) the effin lot of 'em.... starting wiv Elf an Safety

He says he won't abolish those serving a statutory or transparency function but will slim them so that is all they do.

That'll keep him quiet for a good while. What with Wrap trying to promote waste recycling and Defra digging their heels in over environmental permitting for recycling plant and equipment, etc. etc. ad infinitum.

Good luck, but I won't hold my breath!

[jesta1865]

JMGS4 said:

Seems CallMedave is wanting to slash Quangos, a damn good thing as they're mostly all a bunch of non-working busybodies who just want to enforcce BigBrotehr legislation. ban (no shoot) the effin lot of 'em.... starting wiv Elf an Safety

i would also look at the pay structure, apparently the ofcom head is on nearly half a million.

i would do that job for half that, there £200k saved straight away.

oh and apparently we in the public sector should have a pay freeze so as not to upset staff in the private sector (not that i would expect on in this climate) i don't remember anyone making the private sector have smaller pay rises when the economy was booming in case it upset me.

my point is that they need to be honest, they patronise us with daft reasons like that, just be honest and say, we can't afford it yet, but it will help the country long term.

then we can laugh at all the idiots who say no way i want my pound of flesh, and in 6 months get canned because of budget cuts.

[mondeoman]

jesta1865 said:

JMGS4 said:

Seems CallMedave is wanting to slash Quangos, a damn good thing as they're mostly all a bunch of non-working busybodies who just want to enforcce BigBrotehr legislation. ban (no shoot) the effin lot of 'em.... starting wiv Elf an Safety

i would also look at the pay structure, apparently the ofcom head is on nearly half a million.

i would do that job for half that, there £200k saved straight away.

oh and apparently we in the public sector should have a pay freeze so as not to upset staff in the private sector (not that i would expect on in this climate) i don't remember anyone making the private sector have smaller pay rises when the economy was booming in case it upset me.

my point is that they need to be honest, they patronise us with daft reasons like that, just be honest and say, we can't afford it yet, but it will help the country long term.

then we can laugh at all the idiots who say no way i want my pound of flesh, and in 6 months get canned because of budget cuts.

'scuse me, but as WE pay the wages of the "public service" (ignoring the irony of course) then WE get to set the wages.

If you run a compnay, you get to set the pay - ho who pays the piper, names the tune. If you don't like th etune, don't join the dance...

[rich1231]

jesta1865 said:

JMGS4 said:

Seems CallMedave is wanting to slash Quangos, a damn good thing as they're mostly all a bunch of non-working busybodies who just want to enforcce BigBrotehr legislation. ban (no shoot) the effin lot of 'em.... starting wiv Elf an Safety

i would also look at the pay structure, apparently the ofcom head is on nearly half a million.

i would do that job for half that, there £200k saved straight away.

oh and apparently we in the public sector should have a pay freeze so as not to upset staff in the private sector (not that i would expect on in this climate) i don't remember anyone making the private sector have smaller pay rises when the economy was booming in case it upset me.

my point is that they need to be honest, they patronise us with daft reasons like that, just be honest and say, we can't afford it yet, but it will help the country long term.

then we can laugh at all the idiots who say no way i want my pound of flesh, and in 6 months get canned because of budget cuts.

Allow me

I think the reason that the Public sector are getting a hard time at the moment is that generally you deliver st services at terrible value and think you are hard done by with it.

You dont deserve pay rises as the country is bankrupt and as you contribute nothing to the countries prosperity in fact you are only a parasitic entity suckling at the genereous tits of the UK.

The Private sector are the reason you get paid at all you pointless waste of Final Salaried Pension.

[nonegreen]

rich1231 said:

jesta1865 said:

JMGS4 said:

Seems CallMedave is wanting to slash Quangos, a damn good thing as they're mostly all a bunch of non-working busybodies who just want to enforcce BigBrotehr legislation. ban (no shoot) the effin lot of 'em.... starting wiv Elf an Safety

i would also look at the pay structure, apparently the ofcom head is on nearly half a million.

i would do that job for half that, there £200k saved straight away.

oh and apparently we in the public sector should have a pay freeze so as not to upset staff in the private sector (not that i would expect on in this climate) i don't remember anyone making the private sector have smaller pay rises when the economy was booming in case it upset me.

my point is that they need to be honest, they patronise us with daft reasons like that, just be honest and say, we can't afford it yet, but it will help the country long term.

then we can laugh at all the idiots who say no way i want my pound of flesh, and in 6 months get canned because of budget cuts.

Allow me

I think the reason that the Public sector are getting a hard time at the moment is that generally you deliver st services at terrible value and think you are hard done by with it.

You dont deserve pay rises as the country is bankrupt and as you contribute nothing to the countries prosperity in fact you are only a parasitic entity suckling at the genereous tits of the UK.

The Private sector are the reason you get paid at all you pointless waste of Final Salaried Pension.

Erm do you think you could be a bit more explicit I am not quite sure what your driving at?