140 Killed In China - Ethnic Unrest
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The riot was connected to a massive conflict between ethnic Han Chinese and ethnic Uyghurs in a toy factory in Shaoguan city of Guangdong province dated on the 22th of June. It was reported that two people were killed and over a hundred were injured in the conflict. Later that night a internet-guy published a post with the title of the truth of the conflict in Shaoguan toy factory in one of the most popular online forums in China. It claimed that some time before the conflict a Han Chinese girl working the toy factory was gang raped by several Uyghur workers who were recruited at the beginning of this year in response to the government's policy of improving the relationship between ethnic groups in China. However those Uyghur workers were later released by the local police for fearing of provoking Uyghurs' strong actions. Several days later another Han girl was again gang raped by Uyghur workers in their dormitory. Again nothing happened to those Uyghur workers. But this time the Han workers took actions and attacked Uyghur workers. The result was that two people were killed. This message was later deleted and banned by the government. In stead people were told that it was just rumors without any evidence.
Marf said:
10 Pence Short said:
Commies and muslims. Jeez, that's a red letter day in your household!
Anyone would think Jim is a plant to spread these kind of stories 
yli said:
The riot was connected to a massive conflict between ethnic Han Chinese and ethnic Uyghurs in a toy factory in Shaoguan city of Guangdong province dated on the 22th of June. It was reported that two people were killed and over a hundred were injured in the conflict. Later that night a internet-guy published a post with the title of the truth of the conflict in Shaoguan toy factory in one of the most popular online forums in China. It claimed that some time before the conflict a Han Chinese girl working the toy factory was gang raped by several Uyghur workers who were recruited at the beginning of this year in response to the government's policy of improving the relationship between ethnic groups in China. However those Uyghur workers were later released by the local police for fearing of provoking Uyghurs' strong actions. Several days later another Han girl was again gang raped by Uyghur workers in their dormitory. Again nothing happened to those Uyghur workers. But this time the Han workers took actions and attacked Uyghur workers. The result was that two people were killed. This message was later deleted and banned by the government. In stead people were told that it was just rumors without any evidence.
Nice explanation; good to know another side of the story, thank you.Jimbeaux said:
Marf said:
10 Pence Short said:
Commies and muslims. Jeez, that's a red letter day in your household!
Anyone would think Jim is a plant to spread these kind of stories 
Marf said:
Jimbeaux said:
Marf said:
10 Pence Short said:
Commies and muslims. Jeez, that's a red letter day in your household!
Anyone would think Jim is a plant to spread these kind of stories Jimbeaux said:
Marf said:
Jimbeaux said:
Marf said:
10 Pence Short said:
Commies and muslims. Jeez, that's a red letter day in your household!
Anyone would think Jim is a plant to spread these kind of stories 
Marf said:
Jimbeaux said:
Marf said:
Jimbeaux said:
Marf said:
10 Pence Short said:
Commies and muslims. Jeez, that's a red letter day in your household!
Anyone would think Jim is a plant to spread these kind of stories 
I worked in China a few years ago, and all is not well.
As long as every year peoples' standard of living was rising this helped keep a lid on a lot of the inequalities and corruption.
I was lucky enough to sit beside a Polish guy on a flight back to Europe, he had been working a long time in China pre the opening up of the Bamboo curtain. He was finding that as people got better informed they were also more aware of the huge gulf between their standard of living and the West and the top brass in the Communist Party, and were staring to ask questions.
I believe that China is by far and away the largest purchaser of riot control equipment.
There are many incidents which go unreported due to censorship.......
As long as every year peoples' standard of living was rising this helped keep a lid on a lot of the inequalities and corruption.
I was lucky enough to sit beside a Polish guy on a flight back to Europe, he had been working a long time in China pre the opening up of the Bamboo curtain. He was finding that as people got better informed they were also more aware of the huge gulf between their standard of living and the West and the top brass in the Communist Party, and were staring to ask questions.
I believe that China is by far and away the largest purchaser of riot control equipment.
There are many incidents which go unreported due to censorship.......
Jimbeaux said:
yli said:
The riot was connected to a massive conflict between ethnic Han Chinese and ethnic Uyghurs in a toy factory in Shaoguan city of Guangdong province dated on the 22th of June. It was reported that two people were killed and over a hundred were injured in the conflict. Later that night a internet-guy published a post with the title of the truth of the conflict in Shaoguan toy factory in one of the most popular online forums in China. It claimed that some time before the conflict a Han Chinese girl working the toy factory was gang raped by several Uyghur workers who were recruited at the beginning of this year in response to the government's policy of improving the relationship between ethnic groups in China. However those Uyghur workers were later released by the local police for fearing of provoking Uyghurs' strong actions. Several days later another Han girl was again gang raped by Uyghur workers in their dormitory. Again nothing happened to those Uyghur workers. But this time the Han workers took actions and attacked Uyghur workers. The result was that two people were killed. This message was later deleted and banned by the government. In stead people were told that it was just rumors without any evidence.
Nice explanation; good to know another side of the story, thank you.
ks in China, gang rape if true should equal death penalty regardless or race or religion, nice to see justice was done if that's accurate.angryS3owner said:
If that's true it's very interesting to see they also struggle with this PC bks in China, gang rape if true should equal death penalty regardless or race or religion, nice to see justice was done if that's accurate.
It is very hard to verify the story now as the government has blocked the true information. But many believe it was true. I think there might be three reasons for that: a, given the poor credibility of the Chinese government many people simply did not believe what the government wanted them to believe. When government say something is not true people know it is actuall true. b, it was very rare in the past for a large number of Han Chinese to group together and attack other ethnic minorities. But it was quite often that Uighurs act in unison and attack Han Chinese. c, the Han Chinese working in the toy factory are coming from all over the country. They are there to make money for their families. It would be nearly impossible for those people coming from different parts of China to act in unison and attack their Uighur colleagues unless something really bad happened. ks in China, gang rape if true should equal death penalty regardless or race or religion, nice to see justice was done if that's accurate.But behind the story and the riots lies in the tension between Uighurs and Han Chinese, which could probaly trace back to hundreds of years. Over the past fifty years or so the Communist Party adopted policies favouring ethnic minorities(Uighurs and Tibetans included) over Han Chinese in the hope of integrating ethnic minority to the nation with the majority population being Han Chinese. For instance, families of ethnic minorities could have as many children as they want while Han Chinese families could only have one child. aLower qualifying scores are given to the students of ethnic minorities so they can go to the universities more easier than Han Chinese students. This year in Chongqing City a student who scored the highest mark in the university entry exams is found to provide false information regarding his ethnic status. He is a Han Chinese but his father said he was a ethnic minority in order to gain some advantage. Those policies seemed not working very well, in particular with Uighurs and Tibetans. Both Han Chinese and Uighurs complained that they were treated unequally. Coupled with this is the long standing issue of Uighurs' demand of being independence. The result is obvious.
yli said:
angryS3owner said:
If that's true it's very interesting to see they also struggle with this PC bks in China, gang rape if true should equal death penalty regardless or race or religion, nice to see justice was done if that's accurate.
It is very hard to verify the story now as the government has blocked the true information. But many believe it was true. I think there might be three reasons for that: a, given the poor credibility of the Chinese government many people simply did not believe what the government wanted them to believe. When government say something is not true people know it is actuall true. b, it was very rare in the past for a large number of Han Chinese to group together and attack other ethnic minorities. But it was quite often that Uighurs act in unison and attack Han Chinese. c, the Han Chinese working in the toy factory are coming from all over the country. They are there to make money for their families. It would be nearly impossible for those people coming from different parts of China to act in unison and attack their Uighur colleagues unless something really bad happened. ks in China, gang rape if true should equal death penalty regardless or race or religion, nice to see justice was done if that's accurate.But behind the story and the riots lies in the tension between Uighurs and Han Chinese, which could probaly trace back to hundreds of years. Over the past fifty years or so the Communist Party adopted policies favouring ethnic minorities(Uighurs and Tibetans included) over Han Chinese in the hope of integrating ethnic minority to the nation with the majority population being Han Chinese. For instance, families of ethnic minorities could have as many children as they want while Han Chinese families could only have one child. aLower qualifying scores are given to the students of ethnic minorities so they can go to the universities more easier than Han Chinese students. This year in Chongqing City a student who scored the highest mark in the university entry exams is found to provide false information regarding his ethnic status. He is a Han Chinese but his father said he was a ethnic minority in order to gain some advantage. Those policies seemed not working very well, in particular with Uighurs and Tibetans. Both Han Chinese and Uighurs complained that they were treated unequally. Coupled with this is the long standing issue of Uighurs' demand of being independence. The result is obvious.
TVR Moneypit said:
Colonial said:
My wife commented that there are 138 different ethnic groups within what the Chinese consider to be China. The peasent classes wish for each different group to have it's own automamous region or state, the educated classes do not. The realality of this is that if this were to happen the vast majority of the 'states' would not be able to survive on their own. Even though most of the ethnic groups tend not to get on, or at best have a deep miss-trust of each other, (my wife is a mix of Han & Man, which I am told is unusual for different ethnic groups to marry), they need to stay united, or China will cease to exist. As soon as one state / group splits, the rest will follow.
What you mean by saying "The peasent classes wish for each different group to have it's own automamous region or state, the educated classes do not"? Also such a large scale of conflict is not business usual. It is probably the largest we have ever seen during the last six decades.
I believe there are approximately 56 ethnic groups in China, not 138. There is a very famous song named with 56 FLOWERS corresponding to the 56 ethnic groups.
I would say it is very unusual for Muslim Chinese,like Uighurs, to marry other ethnic Chinese because of the religion difference and living habbits. But I would not extend that to all situations. In your wife's case, it is actually very common to have a Man&Han Chinese marriage. As far as I know(I personally have friends who have Man&Han ethnic parents), no Man Chinese or Han Chinese are bothered with their ethnic status at all when it comes to a marriage (ethnic Man Chinese has been deeply integrated into Han Chinese over the past 300 years).
yli said:
Jimbeaux said:
yli said:
A fresh look into the inner workings of China; thanks!
I am glad that I could be any help of offering a different perspective into China. My analysis is probably not very accurate though but at least you could learn more about China.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff